Why are local drives better
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@scottalanmiller said in Why are local drives better:
@Texkonc said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey While I agree, I agree for different reasoning.
The array protection, isn't something that I think needs to be thought of in the traditional sense. I do agree that the local drive needs to be excluded from anything but secure services. So ransomware etc couldn't mess it up.
Maybe we're thinking on different levels. Are you only talking about DAS or is there something else here?
Yea.... haha
sorry for being so vague, just trying to get some ideas. Ignore raid. Its not an item to consider.
So, this is a workstation?
It could be workstation, it could also be a server. Just looking for possible use cases of a locally attached disk.
Workstation without a Hard Disk would be SSD or Dumb Terminal
You can have a workstation with iSCSI or similar remote disk for booting. Used to be a thing, actually. Not so much any more. I know a company that claims to do this in Toronto as they think it is highly beneficial (hint: it is not.)
Oh, I remember those days. All our OpenVMS workstations were all booted from tftp. Of course, this is also the place that thought it was an ok idea to plug a T1 directly into the network without any firewall.
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@Texkonc said in Why are local drives better:
@scottalanmiller said in Why are local drives better:
@Texkonc said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey While I agree, I agree for different reasoning.
The array protection, isn't something that I think needs to be thought of in the traditional sense. I do agree that the local drive needs to be excluded from anything but secure services. So ransomware etc couldn't mess it up.
Maybe we're thinking on different levels. Are you only talking about DAS or is there something else here?
Yea.... haha
sorry for being so vague, just trying to get some ideas. Ignore raid. Its not an item to consider.
So, this is a workstation?
It could be workstation, it could also be a server. Just looking for possible use cases of a locally attached disk.
Workstation without a Hard Disk would be SSD or Dumb Terminal
You can have a workstation with iSCSI or similar remote disk for booting. Used to be a thing, actually. Not so much any more. I know a company that claims to do this in Toronto as they think it is highly beneficial (hint: it is not.)
Thats just silly talk.
Makes more sense than you might think. Workstations rarely need many IOPS and they pretty much all have hard drives storing the same data - a copy of Windows redundant on every machine in the company. That's a LOT of copies of the same files. A company of 1,000 users might have several terabytes of redundant, unimportant files. Using a SAN can mean one super high performance read only SSD-based LUN with a few million IOPS through RAM caching could power the entire company with no chance of malware infection via the workstations. There is logic to it at scale.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why are local drives better:
@Texkonc said in Why are local drives better:
@scottalanmiller said in Why are local drives better:
@Texkonc said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey While I agree, I agree for different reasoning.
The array protection, isn't something that I think needs to be thought of in the traditional sense. I do agree that the local drive needs to be excluded from anything but secure services. So ransomware etc couldn't mess it up.
Maybe we're thinking on different levels. Are you only talking about DAS or is there something else here?
Yea.... haha
sorry for being so vague, just trying to get some ideas. Ignore raid. Its not an item to consider.
So, this is a workstation?
It could be workstation, it could also be a server. Just looking for possible use cases of a locally attached disk.
Workstation without a Hard Disk would be SSD or Dumb Terminal
You can have a workstation with iSCSI or similar remote disk for booting. Used to be a thing, actually. Not so much any more. I know a company that claims to do this in Toronto as they think it is highly beneficial (hint: it is not.)
Thats just silly talk.
Makes more sense than you might think. Workstations rarely need many IOPS and they pretty much all have hard drives storing the same data - a copy of Windows redundant on every machine in the company. That's a LOT of copies of the same files. A company of 1,000 users might have several terabytes of redundant, unimportant files. Using a SAN can mean one super high performance read only SSD-based LUN with a few million IOPS through RAM caching could power the entire company with no chance of malware infection via the workstations. There is logic to it at scale.
Why is there no chance of malware? Can't it get infected while at least active? I can understand reboot and it's gone on that node - assuming a stateless system. But Stateless Windows systems are a huge pain for users.
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@Dashrender said in Why are local drives better:
@scottalanmiller said in Why are local drives better:
@Texkonc said in Why are local drives better:
@scottalanmiller said in Why are local drives better:
@Texkonc said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey said in Why are local drives better:
@DustinB3403 said in Why are local drives better:
@Grey While I agree, I agree for different reasoning.
The array protection, isn't something that I think needs to be thought of in the traditional sense. I do agree that the local drive needs to be excluded from anything but secure services. So ransomware etc couldn't mess it up.
Maybe we're thinking on different levels. Are you only talking about DAS or is there something else here?
Yea.... haha
sorry for being so vague, just trying to get some ideas. Ignore raid. Its not an item to consider.
So, this is a workstation?
It could be workstation, it could also be a server. Just looking for possible use cases of a locally attached disk.
Workstation without a Hard Disk would be SSD or Dumb Terminal
You can have a workstation with iSCSI or similar remote disk for booting. Used to be a thing, actually. Not so much any more. I know a company that claims to do this in Toronto as they think it is highly beneficial (hint: it is not.)
Thats just silly talk.
Makes more sense than you might think. Workstations rarely need many IOPS and they pretty much all have hard drives storing the same data - a copy of Windows redundant on every machine in the company. That's a LOT of copies of the same files. A company of 1,000 users might have several terabytes of redundant, unimportant files. Using a SAN can mean one super high performance read only SSD-based LUN with a few million IOPS through RAM caching could power the entire company with no chance of malware infection via the workstations. There is logic to it at scale.
Why is there no chance of malware? Can't it get infected while at least active? I can understand reboot and it's gone on that node - assuming a stateless system. But Stateless Windows systems are a huge pain for users.
It can infect memory, but not the files on disk. Just trying to infect a file and reloading would do nothing. The disks are totally protected. It's not like "rolling back" after an infection, it's not being able to change the files at all.
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In a normal system with local storage (at least done the normal way) any root level / admin level access to a system means that the read only storage can be remounted as writeable. You can circumvent the controls. With a SAN (or SAN like local security not available on normal desktops) you cannot.
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An additional benefit of connecting a local drive would be the option of creating a shared storage replica. There is also an option of connecting a device called AcloudA, it would allow you to create a volume that would be connected directly to the cloud. Take a look here for more details - http://aclouda.com/
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@Oles-Borys do you have any information on the pricing for ACloudA? Seems like a really interesting product.
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I'd like to see that in action. How does it get network connectivity?
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@Reid-Cooper said in Why are local drives better:
I'd like to see that in action. How does it get network connectivity?
Looks like it has a standard network connection on the card. I'd assume over the WAN like any other cloud service.
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So must be a problem for internal drive bays.
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@StrongBad
All you would have to do is PM your contact details for me to pass them on to the representatives which would contact you in the nearest time. -
@Oles-Borys said in Why are local drives better:
@StrongBad
All you would have to do is PM your contact details for me to pass them on to the representatives which would contact you in the nearest time.Just what nobody wants. Not even a price range listed = not even interested because it's that expensive.
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@StrongBad said in Why are local drives better:
@Oles-Borys do you have any information on the pricing for ACloudA? Seems like a really interesting product.
I'm having beers with aclouda right now.
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@travisdh1 said in Why are local drives better:
@Oles-Borys said in Why are local drives better:
@StrongBad
All you would have to do is PM your contact details for me to pass them on to the representatives which would contact you in the nearest time.Just what nobody wants. Not even a price range listed = not even interested because it's that expensive.
I asked. It's not for sale yet. Not publicly anyway. I'll keep you informed on pricing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why are local drives better:
@travisdh1 said in Why are local drives better:
@Oles-Borys said in Why are local drives better:
@StrongBad
All you would have to do is PM your contact details for me to pass them on to the representatives which would contact you in the nearest time.Just what nobody wants. Not even a price range listed = not even interested because it's that expensive.
I asked. It's not for sale yet. Not publicly anyway. I'll keep you informed on pricing.
Great! I'm not so concerned about the lack of pricing on a product that's not even for sale yet.
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@travisdh1 said in Why are local drives better:
@scottalanmiller said in Why are local drives better:
@travisdh1 said in Why are local drives better:
@Oles-Borys said in Why are local drives better:
@StrongBad
All you would have to do is PM your contact details for me to pass them on to the representatives which would contact you in the nearest time.Just what nobody wants. Not even a price range listed = not even interested because it's that expensive.
I asked. It's not for sale yet. Not publicly anyway. I'll keep you informed on pricing.
Great! I'm not so concerned about the lack of pricing on a product that's not even for sale yet.
I told him to put that info on the site.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why are local drives better:
@StrongBad said in Why are local drives better:
@Oles-Borys do you have any information on the pricing for ACloudA? Seems like a really interesting product.
I'm having beers with aclouda right now.
What? What craziness is that?
