Replace equipment schedule
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To bad I have no access to the funds for something like that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
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@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
Right, what if the future is on ARM. Unlikely, but it could happen.
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I wouldn't do a 100% replacement. If you have 100 machines,.. maybe a 10 or 15% rolling cycle. Replacing only 10-12 machines each year.
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@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
Right, what if the future is on ARM. Unlikely, but it could happen.
Not as unlikely as you might think. MS has announced Windows on ARM, and it's suppose to ship 4th quarter 2017 or 1st 2018. MS already has emulators for x64 (I have to assume x86 too) that they claim run at near full speed.
If/when ARM over take x64 processors (assuming that's not already the case), I don't see why that change won't happen. Then it will be a question of how long MS supports both?
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@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
Right, what if the future is on ARM. Unlikely, but it could happen.
Not as unlikely as you might think. MS has announced Windows on ARM, and it's suppose to ship 4th quarter 2017 or 1st 2018. MS already has emulators for x64 (I have to assume x86 too) that they claim run at near full speed.
If/when ARM over take x64 processors (assuming that's not already the case), I don't see why that change won't happen. Then it will be a question of how long MS supports both?
Hopefully this won't be a repeat of NT4.0 and the Intel + Digital Equipment Corp support fiasco.
ARM already has many-core x64 cpus around, but they still exists in the low power per core segment. If they ever get performance even close to Intel/AMD CPU, well...
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@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
Right, what if the future is on ARM. Unlikely, but it could happen.
Not as unlikely as you might think. MS has announced Windows on ARM, and it's suppose to ship 4th quarter 2017 or 1st 2018. MS already has emulators for x64 (I have to assume x86 too) that they claim run at near full speed.
If/when ARM over take x64 processors (assuming that's not already the case), I don't see why that change won't happen. Then it will be a question of how long MS supports both?
Being ON ARM isn't the issue, being ONLY on ARM, is. They already have an ARM version.
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@gjacobse said in Replace equipment schedule:
I wouldn't do a 100% replacement. If you have 100 machines,.. maybe a 10 or 15% rolling cycle. Replacing only 10-12 machines each year.
My question is more - why replace before actually needed at all? Instead, have a listing of our hardware and we simply assume it will fail at the end of year 5.
So let's say that I have 30 computers that are 5 years old - I tell accounting that I expect to have to replace all 30 this year, but I won't replace them until they fail.
Accounting then plans for their failure - budgets it.By the end of the year, only 5 had to be replaced.
year 2The following year 10 more are now 5 years old, so now there are 35 units on the possible to die list (started with 30, replaced 5, added 10 more, current total 35)
We tell accounting, hey, that money you had set asside for replacements last year, yeah keep it in reserve, and add money for 10 more (again, they should now have reserve for 35 replacements)
in this year 10 die.year 3, 30 more units are 5 years old tell accounting to add 30 more units to the might die list and set asside money for them, ON TOP of the money for the others still remaining on the list.
year three total might die list - 55
it's a bad year and 40 computers need to be replacedyear 4, 15 more units on the might die list, accounting please add
total now on list 30 (15 from last year after replacing 40, and 15 from this year)
10 dieyear 5, 15 more on the might die list (should be last of original fleet of 100 units)
total might die list 35and the cycle continues.
This type of method should allow for the company to spend the least amount of money on new computers and only replace them when they absolutely need to be replaced, and not on some random schedule that could leave a computer with 2+ years of life left getting replaced for no reason.
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@travisdh1 said in Replace equipment schedule:
ARM already has many-core x64 cpus around, but they still exists in the low power per core segment.
x64 is slang for AMD64 architecture, it can't be used to refer to anything else.
ARM64 has no relationship to AMD64, Sparc64, IA64, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
Right, what if the future is on ARM. Unlikely, but it could happen.
Not as unlikely as you might think. MS has announced Windows on ARM, and it's suppose to ship 4th quarter 2017 or 1st 2018. MS already has emulators for x64 (I have to assume x86 too) that they claim run at near full speed.
If/when ARM over take x64 processors (assuming that's not already the case), I don't see why that change won't happen. Then it will be a question of how long MS supports both?
Being ON ARM isn't the issue, being ONLY on ARM, is. They already have an ARM version.
but they didn't have an emulator that allowed you run most if not all apps that can currently run on x64 Windows 10.
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@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
Right, what if the future is on ARM. Unlikely, but it could happen.
Not as unlikely as you might think. MS has announced Windows on ARM, and it's suppose to ship 4th quarter 2017 or 1st 2018. MS already has emulators for x64 (I have to assume x86 too) that they claim run at near full speed.
If/when ARM over take x64 processors (assuming that's not already the case), I don't see why that change won't happen. Then it will be a question of how long MS supports both?
Being ON ARM isn't the issue, being ONLY on ARM, is. They already have an ARM version.
but they didn't have an emulator that allowed you run most if not all apps that can currently run on x64 Windows 10.
Are they going to EMULATE on ARM64 in the future?
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@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
Right, what if the future is on ARM. Unlikely, but it could happen.
Not as unlikely as you might think. MS has announced Windows on ARM, and it's suppose to ship 4th quarter 2017 or 1st 2018. MS already has emulators for x64 (I have to assume x86 too) that they claim run at near full speed.
If/when ARM over take x64 processors (assuming that's not already the case), I don't see why that change won't happen. Then it will be a question of how long MS supports both?
Being ON ARM isn't the issue, being ONLY on ARM, is. They already have an ARM version.
but they didn't have an emulator that allowed you run most if not all apps that can currently run on x64 Windows 10.
Are they going to EMULATE on ARM64 in the future?
LOL - I don't know if they are writing for ARM or ARM64... one would think ARM64 is what they are currently going for.
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@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
Right, what if the future is on ARM. Unlikely, but it could happen.
Not as unlikely as you might think. MS has announced Windows on ARM, and it's suppose to ship 4th quarter 2017 or 1st 2018. MS already has emulators for x64 (I have to assume x86 too) that they claim run at near full speed.
If/when ARM over take x64 processors (assuming that's not already the case), I don't see why that change won't happen. Then it will be a question of how long MS supports both?
Being ON ARM isn't the issue, being ONLY on ARM, is. They already have an ARM version.
but they didn't have an emulator that allowed you run most if not all apps that can currently run on x64 Windows 10.
Are they going to EMULATE on ARM64 in the future?
I meant to ask if they plan on using ARM64 chips and emulating AMD64 processes on top of them. It seems like a crazy process. I'd expect insane overhead.
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@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
Right, what if the future is on ARM. Unlikely, but it could happen.
Not as unlikely as you might think. MS has announced Windows on ARM, and it's suppose to ship 4th quarter 2017 or 1st 2018. MS already has emulators for x64 (I have to assume x86 too) that they claim run at near full speed.
If/when ARM over take x64 processors (assuming that's not already the case), I don't see why that change won't happen. Then it will be a question of how long MS supports both?
Being ON ARM isn't the issue, being ONLY on ARM, is. They already have an ARM version.
but they didn't have an emulator that allowed you run most if not all apps that can currently run on x64 Windows 10.
Are they going to EMULATE on ARM64 in the future?
I meant to ask if they plan on using ARM64 chips and emulating AMD64 processes on top of them. It seems like a crazy process. I'd expect insane overhead.
That crazy overhead is what was expected - but apparently, the current emulators are doing a really good job - I said before that it was near full speed - I need to go back and confirm that, but the reports at the time were definitely positive about the testing so far.
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@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
@Dashrender said in Replace equipment schedule:
@scottalanmiller said in Replace equipment schedule:
They might manage a rolling update system for forever, but there will easily be a technology change that comes along that makes that not possible.
I agree - like Apple switching to the Intel processors.
Right, what if the future is on ARM. Unlikely, but it could happen.
Not as unlikely as you might think. MS has announced Windows on ARM, and it's suppose to ship 4th quarter 2017 or 1st 2018. MS already has emulators for x64 (I have to assume x86 too) that they claim run at near full speed.
If/when ARM over take x64 processors (assuming that's not already the case), I don't see why that change won't happen. Then it will be a question of how long MS supports both?
Being ON ARM isn't the issue, being ONLY on ARM, is. They already have an ARM version.
but they didn't have an emulator that allowed you run most if not all apps that can currently run on x64 Windows 10.
Are they going to EMULATE on ARM64 in the future?
I meant to ask if they plan on using ARM64 chips and emulating AMD64 processes on top of them. It seems like a crazy process. I'd expect insane overhead.
That crazy overhead is what was expected - but apparently, the current emulators are doing a really good job - I said before that it was near full speed - I need to go back and confirm that, but the reports at the time were definitely positive about the testing so far.
Not long ago it was in "fanciful far off dreams" land: https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/85365/thinking-x86-emulation-arm
