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    WAN Link - Fiber to Copper Changing to Fiber Only

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    • MattSpellerM
      MattSpeller
      last edited by

      I believe we used something extremely similar at my last place, I wish I had a picture/model# for you. Worked good.

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      • jt1001001J
        jt1001001
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        I am in a similar boat. My ISP will only hand-off single mode LC at our co-location facility. I'm looking at Allied Telesis myself:
        https://www.alliedtelesis.com/products/gs2002sp

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
          last edited by

          Seams like it should work just fine.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender
            last edited by Dashrender

            I was going to suggest an ER-L with SFP ports to handle the conversion for you - but it seems like you found a better solution.

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            • wrx7mW
              wrx7m
              last edited by wrx7m

              After presenting the idea to my ISP, they said that I could use a media converter but they add additional points of failure and can cause "strange failure modes" because they have a fiber jumper then copper jumper and a low-quality power supply (at least the ones I was looking at). They recommended I consider using a small managed switch in the MPOE, like an Adtran Netvanta 1531 with an SFP transceiver (total cost of about $250) or use an existing switch and create a VLAN.

              The problem with the VLAN on an existing switch idea is that I would still have to run fiber from the MPOE to the server room. I like the small switch idea. Depending on the switch, would it be better quality/less problematic than a media converter? What do you think?

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender
                last edited by Dashrender

                I am doing something very close. To solve this problem I purchased a ER-X SFP.

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                in my case I have private fiber between two buildings, and my connection comes in copper - I need that connect to only be available on the far side of the fiber - and I didn't want it on my same network.

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                • wrx7mW
                  wrx7m
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                  Thanks for the Ubiquiti idea. I have an ERX and Unifi AP AC lite at home. I will check out their small switches.

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                  • wrx7mW
                    wrx7m
                    last edited by

                    Does anyone know if you have to use the Unifi controller with the Unifi Switch 8 (model US‑8‑150W) or can you access it directly?

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                    • brianlittlejohnB
                      brianlittlejohn @wrx7m
                      last edited by

                      @wrx7m If it is the unifi line, it will need the controller.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @brianlittlejohn
                        last edited by

                        @brianlittlejohn said in WAN Link - Fiber to Copper Changing to Fiber Only:

                        @wrx7m If it is the unifi line, it will need the controller.

                        Correct you'll need a controller - OK technically it can be done, but it's really a pain and not what's intended.

                        If you want no controller, then look at a EdgeSwitch instead.

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch
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                          Are you needing a switch or a router. I think you need to stop and think about design again.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @JaredBusch
                            last edited by

                            @JaredBusch said in WAN Link - Fiber to Copper Changing to Fiber Only:

                            Are you needing a switch or a router. I think you need to stop and think about design again.

                            If you're talking to me - I want a router because I want to keep the remote people out of my network for things they don't need access to.

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                            • JaredBuschJ
                              JaredBusch @Dashrender
                              last edited by JaredBusch

                              @Dashrender to the OP

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                              • wrx7mW
                                wrx7m @JaredBusch
                                last edited by

                                @JaredBusch - I have a router so I don't need a second one. The question was more in how deal with the ISP's change from a fiber to copper hand-off to fiber only. I could add a module with SFP ports to allow my router to deal with the fiber directly, but this would be more expensive and require the most work in terms of running fiber and NAT/ACL reconfiguration. The media converter was proposed by me but it seems that a switch with SFP and RJ45 ports makes the most sense.

                                I just install a small switch with a transceiver in the MPOE for the SC connectors coming from the ISP and use my existing cabling to and router interface in the server room.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @wrx7m
                                  last edited by

                                  @wrx7m said in WAN Link - Fiber to Copper Changing to Fiber Only:

                                  switch with SFP and RJ45 ports makes the most sense.

                                  This is a media convertor 😉

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                                  • wrx7mW
                                    wrx7m @Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    @Dashrender True, but a media converter is specifically for this purpose, whereas a switch would have more ports and functionality. 🙂

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      And if you need those things, great - but you didn't before, not sure if you do now?

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                                      • wrx7mW
                                        wrx7m @Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        @Dashrender - I don't think so. I can just do a small switch and be done with it. The edge switch line are a little big but I could probably squeeze it on the board in the MPOE if they don't change much of anything in there but I might be better off with that Adtran Netvanta 1531 or similar size and feature set.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          Does the feature set matter? You're only using this device as a media convertor. No translations or anything.. just convert fiber to copper.

                                          If not for the cheapness of the dedicated convertors you looked at earlier, they should do the job just fine - and really probably would be fine. Depending on cost, you might just buy 2-3 of them and have them on the self for when/if it fails, swap a new one in and be done in 2 mins or less.

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                                          • wrx7mW
                                            wrx7m @Dashrender
                                            last edited by wrx7m

                                            @Dashrender - The feature set really doesn't matter in this case unless I need to specify the speed/duplex mode but I was mostly just saying that there was a difference, not that it mattered much to me. I am concerned with the reliability factor and at the prices for those switches, it is still not nearly as much as I was planning on spending with the direct integration with my Sophos.

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