What Are You Doing Right Now
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Making the internet more expensive will do little more than kill online services.
At this rate Netflix will only be for the wealthy, etc.
Opposite, actually. That's where you are getting confused. Caps help the smaller users. They are to protect the poor from having to subsidize the rich.
OK Scott. The poor today who has a baseline cable modem in Omaha pays $40/month and only has Netflix, for which they pay $10/month, so their fee is $50/month. Now with these new caps, they could easily see that bill being 5X that if they stream at the max possible of the $40 ISP rate - which they probably would, because they used Netflix and Youtube as their primary sources of entertainment.
Now the rich can afford this, but the poor can't, so now the poor simply go without. How does this help the poor?
You are cherry picking. You can watch unlimited Netflix with the baseline Internet with any market of which I know.
It helps the poor by keeping the price down to $40 instead of making them pay the $300 that they are looking at here. Saving the poor $260 seems like helping them a lot.
How are they able to watch unlimited Netflix for $40 and you can't?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I'm guessing that your family's connection is no longer listed as unlimited, it's now listed as 250 GB/month for X, and $10/50 GB above that... and while that sucks.. that's definitely fine for them to do... because it's not unlimited, and it's spelled out.
It's not listed that way, but a lot of things are. Any kind of cap means that something is not unlimited. Whether it requires extra money, gets slower, etc. that means unlimited is wrong.
I completely agree - and until a few years ago, most directly connection ISPs has no limits/caps on internet usage. But, now with the advent of things like streaming media, now we see companies putting caps in place.
I think you are making unrelated connections. We've had streaming services for forever and there weren't caps. It's very clearly the larger bandwidths that are bringing caps with them. And it's the one thing that is so obviously the cause of it that I don't see why we are discussing it. I'm unsure where the confusion is coming from.
With huge bandwidths comes the ability to consume insane amounts of it, and therefore a need for caps to make big bandwidth affordable.
In reality, we should change a base rate for the lines and charge per GB to be totally fair. Anything else is skewing to the rich.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Making the internet more expensive will do little more than kill online services.
At this rate Netflix will only be for the wealthy, etc.
Opposite, actually. That's where you are getting confused. Caps help the smaller users. They are to protect the poor from having to subsidize the rich.
OK Scott. The poor today who has a baseline cable modem in Omaha pays $40/month and only has Netflix, for which they pay $10/month, so their fee is $50/month. Now with these new caps, they could easily see that bill being 5X that if they stream at the max possible of the $40 ISP rate - which they probably would, because they used Netflix and Youtube as their primary sources of entertainment.
Now the rich can afford this, but the poor can't, so now the poor simply go without. How does this help the poor?
You are cherry picking. You can watch unlimited Netflix with the baseline Internet with any market of which I know.
It helps the poor by keeping the price down to $40 instead of making them pay the $300 that they are looking at here. Saving the poor $260 seems like helping them a lot.
How are they able to watch unlimited Netflix for $40 and you can't?
Of course we can. We aren't just watching Netflix, like I pointed out in my example.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Making the internet more expensive will do little more than kill online services.
At this rate Netflix will only be for the wealthy, etc.
You say making it more expensive, but it's getting cheaper. Where do you see it costing more?
where is it getting less expensive?
Everywhere that I know of. You pay the same for 100Mb/s today that we used to pay for dialup.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Today I pay $80/month and I utilize 200 GB of throughput. If they cap me at 100 GB for my $80/month, now I'm suddenly paying more...
But they aren't capping you there, are they? So you are NOT paying more. You are making up false scenarios that don't exist.
Basically this is the discussion:
It used to cost X for Internet, now it costs less.
You say "Yeah, but what IF they charged more, it would cost more!"
Okay, but they don't, that's the point.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In reality, we should change a base rate for the lines and charge per GB to be totally fair. Anything else is skewing to the rich.
OK that would be fine. It's more or less how the cell companies have been doing it forever, except that their base plan is so much higher than what most people need/use, they are taking from the poor if you will, heck, taking from anyone who doesn't use that amount of data.
Google Fi is awesome, $20/m line charge unlimited SMS/MMS/voice, and $10/GB (and it's prorated, not flat).
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I know of almost no one who will pay less with caps in place.
Less than before? How is that possible since before they had no way to use as much Internet. What you are stating is impossible from simple physics.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In reality, we should change a base rate for the lines and charge per GB to be totally fair. Anything else is skewing to the rich.
OK that would be fine. It's more or less how the cell companies have been doing it forever, except that their base plan is so much higher than what most people need/use, they are taking from the poor if you will, heck, taking from anyone who doesn't use that amount of data.
Google Fi is awesome, $20/m line charge unlimited SMS/MMS/voice, and $10/GB (and it's prorated, not flat).
Yes, base plan being anything more than zero is not the same.
There are two costs to the ISP... one to maintain the connection. One to provide transfer. Charge for each separately to charge for usage. Anything else is the opposite of that.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Oh, she has a 169 IP address. Oh, Comcast DNS must be broken. I change her DNS settings to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4.
eh? what? DNS? because you say 169 IP? lol
She has a modem not a router
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Oh, she has a 169 IP address. Oh, Comcast DNS must be broken. I change her DNS settings to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4.
eh? what? DNS? because you say 169 IP? lol
She has a modem not a router
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh
Fix that!!
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@FiyaFly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Story Time:
This Christmas my mother-in-law (more or less) asked if I could look at her computer since we were coming over anyway. She hasn't had internet for 2 1/2 weeks. Her neighbors internet has also been out for the same amount of time. She told me she's had 3 Comcast techs come out and a supervisor. No one could get her internet up and running. They told her that it was her modem so she bought a new modem, which I'm sure costed her a good amount of money but I don't know the specific figure. Then they still couldn't get her internet working. They went through her crawlspaces, replaced cabling, etc. Nothing worked. I say sure, I'll take a look at it.
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ipconfig /allOh, she has a 169 IP address. Oh, Comcast DNS must be broken. I change her DNS settings to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4.
It took 60 seconds to fix a problem that had taken her WEEKS to try to get fixed. Hours on the phone with Comast. 4 different appointments to try to get this fixed and no one could do it. Needless to say she now thinks I'm some kind of super genius and I have brownie points until the end of eternity.
I guess that's a decent stance to be held in with a Mother-In-Law. lol
Well, she listens to every word I say now. So that's good.
Good, get her a firewall then!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@FiyaFly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Story Time:
This Christmas my mother-in-law (more or less) asked if I could look at her computer since we were coming over anyway. She hasn't had internet for 2 1/2 weeks. Her neighbors internet has also been out for the same amount of time. She told me she's had 3 Comcast techs come out and a supervisor. No one could get her internet up and running. They told her that it was her modem so she bought a new modem, which I'm sure costed her a good amount of money but I don't know the specific figure. Then they still couldn't get her internet working. They went through her crawlspaces, replaced cabling, etc. Nothing worked. I say sure, I'll take a look at it.
CMD
ipconfig /allOh, she has a 169 IP address. Oh, Comcast DNS must be broken. I change her DNS settings to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4.
It took 60 seconds to fix a problem that had taken her WEEKS to try to get fixed. Hours on the phone with Comast. 4 different appointments to try to get this fixed and no one could do it. Needless to say she now thinks I'm some kind of super genius and I have brownie points until the end of eternity.
I guess that's a decent stance to be held in with a Mother-In-Law. lol
Well, she listens to every word I say now. So that's good.
Good, get her a firewall then!
ERX here we come!
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I'm guessing that your family's connection is no longer listed as unlimited, it's now listed as 250 GB/month for X, and $10/50 GB above that... and while that sucks.. that's definitely fine for them to do... because it's not unlimited, and it's spelled out.
It's not listed that way, but a lot of things are. Any kind of cap means that something is not unlimited. Whether it requires extra money, gets slower, etc. that means unlimited is wrong.
I completely agree - and until a few years ago, most directly connection ISPs has no limits/caps on internet usage. But, now with the advent of things like streaming media, now we see companies putting caps in place.
Yep, most of the large ISPs are also content creation companies as well as the traditional cable co-op, so they all want to protect their old media streaming cash cows. Add up the dualopoly most exist in, and they have no competition.
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Look at how beautiful this is: https://www.etsy.com/listing/279023916/raspberry-pi3-aluminum-case-and-lid
I'm going to get one for my home RetroPie
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@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I'm guessing that your family's connection is no longer listed as unlimited, it's now listed as 250 GB/month for X, and $10/50 GB above that... and while that sucks.. that's definitely fine for them to do... because it's not unlimited, and it's spelled out.
It's not listed that way, but a lot of things are. Any kind of cap means that something is not unlimited. Whether it requires extra money, gets slower, etc. that means unlimited is wrong.
I completely agree - and until a few years ago, most directly connection ISPs has no limits/caps on internet usage. But, now with the advent of things like streaming media, now we see companies putting caps in place.
Yep, most of the large ISPs are also content creation companies as well as the traditional cable co-op, so they all want to protect their old media streaming cash cows. Add up the dualopoly most exist in, and they have no competition.
Content CREATION is boosted by streaming services. It's content paywalling that is not. Most ISPs make no content, they just paywall content traditionally.
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Look at how beautiful this is: https://www.etsy.com/listing/279023916/raspberry-pi3-aluminum-case-and-lid
I'm going to get one for my home RetroPie
Pretty nice.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Look at how beautiful this is: https://www.etsy.com/listing/279023916/raspberry-pi3-aluminum-case-and-lid
I'm going to get one for my home RetroPie
Pretty nice.
I wish I remembered how to use CAD and knew of a place I could get things made. I'd basically want this but with a cutout for a capacitative touch screen
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Look at how beautiful this is: https://www.etsy.com/listing/279023916/raspberry-pi3-aluminum-case-and-lid
I'm going to get one for my home RetroPie
Pretty nice.
I wish I remembered how to use CAD and knew of a place I could get things made. I'd basically want this but with a cutout for a capacitative touch screen
Tons of places will do custom work for you like that. Should not be hard to fine. Custom metal fab is standard local business.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Look at how beautiful this is: https://www.etsy.com/listing/279023916/raspberry-pi3-aluminum-case-and-lid
I'm going to get one for my home RetroPie
Pretty nice.
I wish I remembered how to use CAD and knew of a place I could get things made. I'd basically want this but with a cutout for a capacitative touch screen
Tons of places will do custom work for you like that. Should not be hard to fine. Custom metal fab is standard local business.
Yeah, I bet my old company would do it. I should contact my old friend Nigel
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I know of almost no one who will pay less with caps in place.
Less than before? How is that possible since before they had no way to use as much Internet. What you are stating is impossible from simple physics.
Technology is driving higher usage. i.e. 4K, online gaming, updates to phones, etc.
OK so I see your point about the shower trickle vs clean in 5 mins.
But our tech is showing a clear use of significantly more usage - we've been updating phones for years. The big change is 4K video, and perhaps some gaming.
If that household restricted it's data back down to 30 Mbs would they be in a usable state? sure, not as happy as they are today, but usable.
