Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training
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This could send me on a rant about the educational system overall, but I feel like that may be off topic. Put simply, I don't feel any degree in IT fields is useful, and certifications are, at best in my mind, questionable.
Of course, my main focus, or attempted main focus, has always been development so I may have a skewed outlook.
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You don't think learning programming in college is possible/worthwhile?
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@Dashrender said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
You don't think learning programming in college is possible/worthwhile?
Possible? Very. I got my start with Python from a college course. Worthwhile? Not so much. The amount of debt you accrue due to these courses is just not worth it to me. Yes, I got my start with Python from college. VB.NET? Javascript? C#? All of those, I developed on my own time. Free. When you're talking what you learn from the course compared to the price, I see no justification in it, and especially if you're talking about getting a degree.
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@Dashrender said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
You don't think learning programming in college is possible/worthwhile?
Definitely not.
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@FiyaFly said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
@Dashrender said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
You don't think learning programming in college is possible/worthwhile?
Possible? Very. I got my start with Python from a college course. Worthwhile? Not so much. The amount of debt you accrue due to these courses is just not worth it to me. Yes, I got my start with Python from college. VB.NET? Javascript? C#? All of those, I developed on my own time. Free. When you're talking what you learn from the course compared to the price, I see no justification in it, and especially if you're talking about getting a degree.
You shoudl be able to learn an entire college course in 2-3 days on your own for free, or for the cost of a book.
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@FiyaFly said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
Possible? Very. I got my start with Python from a college course. Worthwhile? Not so much. The amount of debt you accrue due to these courses is just not worth it to me.
Even if that debt is only time. If it takes a semester to learn Python basics you have a major problem. There are free resources for learning Python in a few days at home. If someone is taking a class to learn that that means that they are wasting months to get the educational value of just a few days. That's a really big deal. And instead of globally standardized learning, kept up to date, heavily peer reviewed it's generally one random professor, generally out of date, teaching to their own agenda. That's not necessarily true, but even the very best possible professor, which is a pretty unlikely thing to get, can only hope to be "almost" as good as the established, free resources.
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@scottalanmiller Hence the reason I stopped going after a couple semesters. lol.
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@scottalanmiller said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
date, heavily peer reviewed it's generally one random professor, generally out of date, teaching to their own agenda. That's not
Well, the professor could be there simply to answer questions.
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@Dashrender said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
@scottalanmiller said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
date, heavily peer reviewed it's generally one random professor, generally out of date, teaching to their own agenda. That's not
Well, the professor could be there simply to answer questions.
Yeah, that's horrible. Post on ML, SW, StackExchange, etc. Get more answers, from better people, with more details in seconds, for free.
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And relying on a professor for answers is terrible. Anyone going into IT or SE needs to be able to get answers themselves in the real world. The professor answering questions is directly a negative value to the students.
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@scottalanmiller said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
@FiyaFly said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
@Dashrender said in Legitimate University Programs Are Not Certification Training:
You don't think learning programming in college is possible/worthwhile?
Possible? Very. I got my start with Python from a college course. Worthwhile? Not so much. The amount of debt you accrue due to these courses is just not worth it to me. Yes, I got my start with Python from college. VB.NET? Javascript? C#? All of those, I developed on my own time. Free. When you're talking what you learn from the course compared to the price, I see no justification in it, and especially if you're talking about getting a degree.
You shoudl be able to learn an entire college course in 2-3 days on your own for free, or for the cost of a book.
A whole 2-3 days? You must be feeling generous today. I tried taking a single course about 10 years ago which finally polished off whatever trust I had ever had in "the system".
