SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@Francesco-Provino have you seen how I have been working hard on my Italian on DuoLingo to prepare for three months there?
No, just watched now! I'm from Palermo, also in Sicily
. I'll PM you about that, it would be great to meet you!You live there still, now? We will definitely be there some of the time. My wife's family is from a village right outside of Palermo and we hope to spend some time there looking for some birth and death records at the church.
Yes, I'm Palermo right now. What village? I'm from Bagheria, in truth, ~20km from Palermo…
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@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@Francesco-Provino have you seen how I have been working hard on my Italian on DuoLingo to prepare for three months there?
No, just watched now! I'm from Palermo, also in Sicily
. I'll PM you about that, it would be great to meet you!You live there still, now? We will definitely be there some of the time. My wife's family is from a village right outside of Palermo and we hope to spend some time there looking for some birth and death records at the church.
Yes, I'm Palermo right now. What village? I'm from Bagheria, in truth, ~20km from Palermo…
I'll get the actual name when she wakes up.
Oh wait, San Guiseppe.
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I think that regular NextCloud or something similar, will work well here if their use storage as most users do. With NextCloud you have the files saved locally (desktop or laptop) and then the client does a background sync to the server. The problem is that when sharing files between users it all goes over the WAN. So if they share files with each other all of the time, then that does not work well. If they share rarely, it works great.
If the LAN portion is all LAN and really never varies then using something like Synology locally and having another Synology hosted elsewhere with CrashPlan or Backblaze on the Synology at the hosted location, then you are all set. You don't really need a Synology in the other location, a low cost Vultr storage VM would do it, too.
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Excepting the upload speeds, why would a NextCloud setup hosted on Vultr or someplace more local not work? -- or is upload speed the limiting factor for everything?
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@dafyre said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
Excepting the upload speeds, why would a NextCloud setup hosted on Vultr or someplace more local not work? -- or is upload speed the limiting factor for everything?
Oh yeah, NextCloud on Vultr or similar is what I meant when I said NextCloud. That would be ideal if there isn't a lot of sharing. NextCloud on a Vultr storage instance for like $10 or $20/mo. Then a BackBlaze B2 account and backups via script.
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Mmmh, great suggestion, but isn't Dropbox Pro even more simple? It can also leverage LAN sync!
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@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
Mmmh, great suggestion, but isn't Dropbox Pro even more simple? It can also leverage LAN sync!
I've not used it with the LAN sync feature. You mean it syncs to a local NAS or file server?
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ownCloud/NextCloud can sync two servers, yes. I keep meaning to set it up and just haven't.
For such a small office, with such a poor upload potential, I would set up something locally.
If you jsut want file sync (aka dropbox), the NextCloud Box for 70€ one time is a great solution.
This is not a backup though, it is file sync. So you are not able to recover from Crypto easily. The system does have versioning, but it is a pain in the ass to recover versions manually for all of the files.
Instead, I would get a basic NAS and create a SMB share on it and then use Veeam Endpoint Backup on the three computers to backup to there.
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
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@JaredBusch said
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
It's not ideal, but couldn't they invest in a few USB drives and just dump the data and rotate them offsite?
It would at least save MOST of the data in the case of a local catastrophe.
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@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@JaredBusch said
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
It's not ideal, but couldn't they invest in a few USB drives and just dump the data and rotate them offsite?
It would at least save MOST of the data in the case of a local catastrophe.
Waste of money and higher risk as a NAS will back everything up.
If you really want offsite (they do not have it now, and it seems to be a low priority) then they can bring in a USB, hook it to the NAS and have the NAS back itself up to that then take it offsite.
But this still does not protect against a local catastrophe. Only against that one building being lost. The USB drive will still be regionally local.
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@JaredBusch said
If you really want offsite (they do not have it now, and it seems to be a low priority) then they can bring in a USB, hook it to the NAS and have the NAS back itself up to that then take it offsite.
Sorry if I was unclear. This is what I meant.
Keep the system as recommended, but also back up the NAS to rotating USB drives to get the data offsite.
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@BRRABill His point still remains in that you are covered if a rock falls on the building, but not if a fire burns down the entire city.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
Mmmh, great suggestion, but isn't Dropbox Pro even more simple? It can also leverage LAN sync!
I've not used it with the LAN sync feature. You mean it syncs to a local NAS or file server?
No, it syncs between clients. It works well, very effective.
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@dafyre said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill His point still remains in that you are covered if a rock falls on the building, but not if a fire burns down the entire city.
Is it often that a fire burns down an entire city?
I mean what are the risk chances of
a) a loss of the NAS (theft, building fire, building flood)
b) a whoel city burning down -
@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@JaredBusch said
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
It's not ideal, but couldn't they invest in a few USB drives and just dump the data and rotate them offsite?
It would at least save MOST of the data in the case of a local catastrophe.
There's absolutely NO person aware of IT issues in this office, I have to setup something that they don't have to deal with. Absolutely!
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@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@dafyre said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill His point still remains in that you are covered if a rock falls on the building, but not if a fire burns down the entire city.
Is it often that a fire burns down an entire city?
I mean what are the risk chances of
a) a loss of the NAS (theft, building fire, building flood)
b) a whoel city burning downThe problem is they WILL forget to bring usb home, or throw the drive and ignore errors… really, what's wrong with a cloud backup in this scenario? Apart from the first upload, the changed data ratio will be very low, something like <100Mb/day.
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@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@JaredBusch said
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
It's not ideal, but couldn't they invest in a few USB drives and just dump the data and rotate them offsite?
It would at least save MOST of the data in the case of a local catastrophe.
There's absolutely NO person aware of IT issues in this office, I have to setup something that they don't have to deal with. Absolutely!
Again a sync tool is not a backup. But if you are going to stay with a sync tool, then buy 2 NextCloud Box systems.
Set 1 up in the office and have their systems point to it.
Setup number 2 with a DNS name and use a local DNS override in th eoffice to point to it locally. Let them sync.
Remove DNS override and move number 2 offsite. Sync will resume.
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@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@dafyre said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill His point still remains in that you are covered if a rock falls on the building, but not if a fire burns down the entire city.
Is it often that a fire burns down an entire city?
I mean what are the risk chances of
a) a loss of the NAS (theft, building fire, building flood)
b) a whoel city burning downThe problem is they WILL forget to bring usb home, or throw the drive and ignore errors… really, what's wrong with a cloud backup in this scenario?
You posted while I was. Dropbox is not a cloud backup. it is a cloud Sync.
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@JaredBusch said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@JaredBusch said
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
It's not ideal, but couldn't they invest in a few USB drives and just dump the data and rotate them offsite?
It would at least save MOST of the data in the case of a local catastrophe.
There's absolutely NO person aware of IT issues in this office, I have to setup something that they don't have to deal with. Absolutely!
Again a sync tool is not a backup. But if you are going to stay with a sync tool, then buy 2 NextCloud Box systems.
Set 1 up in the office and have their systems point to it.
Setup number 2 with a DNS name and use a local DNS override in th eoffice to point to it locally. Let them sync.
Remove DNS override and move number 2 offsite. Sync will resume.
Of course is not, so I will use BOTH Dropbox AND BackBlaze for backup ;).
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@Francesco-Provino said
The problem is they WILL forget to bring usb home, or throw the drive and ignore errors… really, what's wrong with a cloud backup in this scenario? Apart from the first upload, the changed data ratio will be very low, something like <100Mb/day.
Nothing at all, and of course the recommended solution.
I was merely saying is cloud backup was NOT an option.
