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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
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      With further offline discussion - we found that something called touchlink is where the implementation (or advancement in technology) failure took place in ZB.

      I found this black hat article, https://www.blackhat.com/docs/us-15/materials/us-15-Zillner-ZigBee-Exploited-The-Good-The-Bad-And-The-Ugly-wp.pdf

      ... ZLL devices support a feature called “Touchlink Commissioning” that allows devices to be paired with controllers. As the default and publicly known TC link key is used, devices can be “stolen”. Tests showed that amateur radio hardware using normal dipole (Rasperry Pi extension board) antennas already
      allowed Touchlink Commission from several meters away whereas for security reasons this should only work in close proximity. Usage of professional radio equipment would allow an even higher distance for such a successful device
      takeover.

      This tells me (though I haven't found it yet) that there is some type of spec that is suppose to prevent pairing of devices outside of a certain range.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender
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        https://www1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/filepool/publications/zina/ZLLsec-SmartBuildingSec16.pdf

        Nice read about touchlink, ZLL.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender
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          https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1047.pdf

          We focus in this paper on the popular Philips Hue smart
          lights which had been sold (especially in the European
          market) in large numbers since 2012. The communication
          between the lamps and their controllers is carried out by the
          Zigbee protocol, which is the radio link of choice between
          many IoT devices due to its simplicity, wide availability, low
          cost, low power consumption, robustness, and long range (its
          main disadvantage compared to WiFi radio communication
          is its limited bandwidth, which is not a real problem in most
          IoT applications). The Hue lamps contain a ZigBee chip
          made by Atmel, which uses multiple layers of cryptographic
          and non-cryptographic protection to prevent hackers from
          misusing the lamps once they are securely connected with
          their controllers. In particular, they will ignore any request
          to reset or to change their affiliation unless it is sent from
          a ZigBee transmitter which is only a few centimeters away
          from the lamp. Even though the attacker can try to spoof
          such a proximity test by using very high power transmitters,
          the fact that the received power decreases quadratically with
          the distance makes such brute force attacks very hard (even
          at ranges of a hundred meters). This requires high power
          dedicated equipment and cannot be done with the standard
          ZigBee off the shelf equipment.
          Our initial discovery was that the Atmel stack has a
          major bug in its proximity test, which enables any standard
          ZigBee transmitter (which can be bought for a few dol-
          lars in the form of an tiny evaluation board) to initiate a
          factory reset procedure which will dissociate lamps from
          their current controllers, up to a range of 400 meters.
          Once this is achieved, the transmitter can issue additional
          instructions which will take full control of all those lamps.
          We demonstrated this with a real war-driving experiment
          in which we drove around our university campus and took
          full control of all the Hue smart lights installed in buildings
          along the car’s path. Due to the small size, low weight, and
          minimal power consumption of the required equipment, and
          the fact that the attack can be automated, we managed to
          tie a fully autonomous attack kit below a standard drone,
          and performed war-flying in which we flew hundreds of
          meters away from office buildings, forcing all the Hue lights
          installed in them to disconnect from their current controllers
          and to blink SOS in morse code.
          By flying such a drone in a zig-zag pattern high over a
          city, an attacker can disable all the Philips Hue smart lights
          in city centers within a few minutes. Even though such an
          attack can have very unpleasant consequences, its effects are
          only temporary since they can be reversed by the tedious
          process of bringing each lamp to within a few centimeters
          from its legitimate controller and reassociating them.

          interesting, seems that the implementation error (still haven't found how the distance is supposed to be ensured) is in the ZigBee chip from Atmel, not something Philips did wrong.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender
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            It's likely that this attack was only possible because a master key, one that's distributed to all certified ZigBee manufacturers under a secrecy clause and used on every ZigBee device, was in fact leaked in 2015. With this master key along with the flaw in the Atmel chip, probably is what allowed this situation to exist.

            haven't they learned yet that a master key doesn't work? DVD's anyone? BluRay?

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender
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              https://arxiv.org/pdf/1608.03732.pdf

              Because our implementation failed to
              send the acknowledgment within the demanded time frame
              of 864 microseconds, we spoof another ZigBee device in
              the network that acknowledges the reception of the scan
              response, even if this device did not send the
              scan request, as shown in Figure 6

              In contrast, the Hue bulb responses to any arbitrary
              originator because apparently no acknowledgment on MAC-layer is required.

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                hubtechagain
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                @dafyre Yeah, i've got a set of 3. they're awesome 🙂 I'm gonna pick up some of the light strips soon too! Deck, outdoor kitchen, and mood lighting needs to happen 🙂

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                • dafyreD
                  dafyre @hubtechagain
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                  @hubtechagain Better make sure your bulbs don't get hacked, ha ha.

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                  • J
                    Jason Banned
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                    I'll stick with my Old School Lutron Caseta switches and dimmers, and using a local apple tv as a bridge for homekit. These vendors doing their own standards are the problem.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @Jason
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                      @Jason said in IOT failure - again:

                      I'll stick with my Old School Lutron Caseta switches and dimmers, and using a local apple tv as a bridge for homekit. These vendors doing their own standards are the problem.

                      What own standards would those be?

                      The bulbs in question use ZB a widely used standard.

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                        Jason Banned @Dashrender
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                        @Dashrender said in IOT failure - again:

                        The bulbs in question use ZB a widely used standard.

                        Zigbee is a randomly developed standard by a new alliance that doesn't have much experience. It's had many security concerns since day one. Anyone using it just plain didn't care about security.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @Jason
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                          @Jason said in IOT failure - again:

                          @Dashrender said in IOT failure - again:

                          The bulbs in question use ZB a widely used standard.

                          Zigbee is a randomly developed standard by a new alliance that doesn't have much experience. It's had many security concerns since day one. Anyone using it just plain didn't care about security.

                          I completely agree, though I wouldn't call it new.

                          So what open standard do you know about that all of these guys are refusing to use, that's been vetted and so far stands up to good security practices?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                            @Dashrender said in IOT failure - again:

                            @Jason said in IOT failure - again:

                            @Dashrender said in IOT failure - again:

                            The bulbs in question use ZB a widely used standard.

                            Zigbee is a randomly developed standard by a new alliance that doesn't have much experience. It's had many security concerns since day one. Anyone using it just plain didn't care about security.

                            I completely agree, though I wouldn't call it new.

                            So what open standard do you know about that all of these guys are refusing to use, that's been vetted and so far stands up to good security practices?

                            I'm a bit curious too. He has tons of secret knowledge about this stuff and AV equipment that when prompted for, doesn't have anything to show for it. Can't tell if he's bluffing and doesn't realize we will ask for more info, or if he knows so little that he's unclear as to what constitutes a reasonable bluff. The Curtis dilemma, in the second case, wants to sound cool but knows so little he can't tell when he is telling a reasonably lie or a ridiculous one (like that he watched the Internet get invented in 1998 - years after we'd all been using it regularly.)

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