No Longer Salaried.
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@Dashrender said in No Longer Salaried.:
@scottalanmiller said in No Longer Salaried.:
At the big Wall St, banks, for example, hourly exempt is probably the most common thing that you see because they want to pay by the hour and let you work tons and tons if you want, but they don't want to pay time and a half for it.
What are the regs for hourly - exempt?
There is a floor pay rate, once above that there is no requirement to pay more. The idea of "time and a half" doesn't exist, so it's not overtime, it's just time.
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@scottalanmiller said in No Longer Salaried.:
@Dashrender said in No Longer Salaried.:
@scottalanmiller said in No Longer Salaried.:
At the big Wall St, banks, for example, hourly exempt is probably the most common thing that you see because they want to pay by the hour and let you work tons and tons if you want, but they don't want to pay time and a half for it.
What are the regs for hourly - exempt?
There is a floor pay rate, once above that there is no requirement to pay more. The idea of "time and a half" doesn't exist, so it's not overtime, it's just time.
What is that floor?
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So the question is why is almost every company treating every IT position as exempt when they shouldn't be?
according to the description only consultants & software developers can be.
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@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
@scottalanmiller said in No Longer Salaried.:
And exempt hourly...
Work 40 hours a week, paid 40 x hourly rate.
Work 60 hours a week, paid 40 x hourly rate.This above is actually called a weekly rate, it's neither hourly nor salaried. I've seen a lot of places do "day rate" where you get paid X per day, regardless of work done. Or day rate + hourly which gets really confusing.
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@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
So the question is why is almost every company treating every IT position as exempt when they should be?
Everyone wants to treat people as exempt because it's by far the easiest to deal with and potentially pays the least. Especially if you can get availability based jobs listed under exempt you can work them to the bone because they can never get away.
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@scottalanmiller said in No Longer Salaried.:
@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
So the question is why is almost every company treating every IT position as exempt when they should be?
Everyone wants to treat people as exempt because it's by far the easiest to deal with and potentially pays the least. Especially if you can get availability based jobs listed under exempt you can work them to the bone because they can never get away.
That may be changing. I know us and GE both made this change based on lawyers recommendations.
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@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
@scottalanmiller said in No Longer Salaried.:
@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
So the question is why is almost every company treating every IT position as exempt when they should be?
Everyone wants to treat people as exempt because it's by far the easiest to deal with and potentially pays the least. Especially if you can get availability based jobs listed under exempt you can work them to the bone because they can never get away.
That may be changing. I know us and GE both made this change based on lawyers recommendations.
And that's why Wall St. basically across the board does hourly for admins (and helpdesk and other stuff) even when exempt, because it just makes sense. Pay the people doing 70 hours more than those doing 40 hours, otherwise no one will work more. Even a decade ago, that was standard.
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Hopefully it changes, but it's always been bad and not allowed. But maybe they are cracking down and catching people more and more. Just like they are with fake 1099 situations which used to be so common but was just a tax dodge.
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Who knows. All I know is we were told to postpone all server upgrades until after thanskgiving when they can pay us overtime for it.
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@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
Who knows. All I know is we were told to postpone all server upgrades until after thanskgiving when they can pay us overtime for it.
LOL - wow - I guess they are only doing that to keep from being sued.
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@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
Who knows. All I know is we were told to postpone all server upgrades until after thanskgiving when they can pay us overtime for it.
While the postponement sucks, the extra money does not!
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@Dashrender said in No Longer Salaried.:
@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
Who knows. All I know is we were told to postpone all server upgrades until after thanskgiving when they can pay us overtime for it.
LOL - wow - I guess they are only doing that to keep from being sued.
I'm sure that was the primary motivating factor.
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The other company I mention from time to time ran afoul of this a few years ago.
They had listed a non technical department as salaried - exempt. the employees complained to the state that they weren't being paid overtime. The state agreed and said the company could declare them as salaried - non exempt.
The company then said that all employees (in that department) had to start punching a clock. If they didn't put in at least 40 hours, they would be written up and possibly fired.
Instead of getting OT, people ended up getting fired when they suddenly realized how their late entries to work, long lunches and early going home amounted to them working less than 40 hours regularly.
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@Dashrender said in No Longer Salaried.:
@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
Who knows. All I know is we were told to postpone all server upgrades until after thanskgiving when they can pay us overtime for it.
LOL - wow - I guess they are only doing that to keep from being sued.
Well, duh. lol
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@Dashrender said in No Longer Salaried.:
The other company I mention from time to time ran afoul of this a few years ago.
They had listed a non technical department as salaried - exempt. the employees complained to the state that they weren't being paid overtime. The state agreed and said the company could declare them as salaried - non exempt.
The company then said that all employees (in that department) had to start punching a clock. If they didn't put in at least 40 hours, they would be written up and possibly fired.
Instead of getting OT, people ended up getting fired when they suddenly realized how their late entries to work, long lunches and early going home amounted to them working less than 40 hours regularly.
Yup, that's often why people get salaried, let's them get paid for "being around" and "thinking about work."
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@scottalanmiller said in No Longer Salaried.:
@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
@scottalanmiller said in No Longer Salaried.:
And exempt hourly...
Work 40 hours a week, paid 40 x hourly rate.
Work 60 hours a week, paid 40 x hourly rate.This above is actually called a weekly rate, it's neither hourly nor salaried. I've seen a lot of places do "day rate" where you get paid X per day, regardless of work done. Or day rate + hourly which gets really confusing.
I was actually day rate + hourly back at my last truck driving position. I was probably the only one who actually got paid a decent wage as well. Got a flat rate of $50 for two bump runs each day between Cleveland and Akron, plus an hourly rate whenever I worked between bump runs, which was all the time because they had no backup.
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@travisdh1 said in No Longer Salaried.:
@scottalanmiller said in No Longer Salaried.:
@Jason said in No Longer Salaried.:
@scottalanmiller said in No Longer Salaried.:
And exempt hourly...
Work 40 hours a week, paid 40 x hourly rate.
Work 60 hours a week, paid 40 x hourly rate.This above is actually called a weekly rate, it's neither hourly nor salaried. I've seen a lot of places do "day rate" where you get paid X per day, regardless of work done. Or day rate + hourly which gets really confusing.
I was actually day rate + hourly back at my last truck driving position. I was probably the only one who actually got paid a decent wage as well. Got a flat rate of $50 for two bump runs each day between Cleveland and Akron, plus an hourly rate whenever I worked between bump runs, which was all the time because they had no backup.
I used to do daily where it was flat day rate for 40-50 hours a day. No matter what you worked, you were expected to do at least forty hours. The rate was flat. Once you went over 50 hours, you made hourly your day rate/40. So you made your best per hour rate working 40 hours, your worst working 50 and it slowly improved for every hour over 40.
