This Is Who Is Teaching College
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I think there is a debt:entitlement ratio that has never been explored.
The more debt an individual has, the more entitled they feel to a good paying job or whatever else.
I would love to see if there was actually a study on this. . .
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
I think there is a debt:entitlement ratio that has never been explored.
The more debt an individual has, the more entitled they feel to a good paying job or whatever else.
I would love to see if there was actually a study on this. . .
That's a very interesting thought. I, too, would love to see that study done. And compare people with the same degrees, from the same schools, with no debt. Does the debt create entitlement even though non-debt represents the better candidate (better decision making and financial skills.)
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Just considering the thought for a bit.
Positions that are highly respected positions such as doctors or professors cost a ton of time and money to earn, causing a ton of debt.
And in these same positions, we have people who are literally charging way more money for a basic service. Because they need to pay off their personal debt.
Which if it didn't cost so much money to become a doctor (not talking about reducing education efficiency or studies, just financial cost) than doctors wouldn't be forced to charge so much for the same basic services (which ultimately result in insurance payments) because the customer simply couldn't afford to pay for the service at those inflated rates.
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Which means, do doctors think they are entitled to rip off their customer base, because of their personal choice to become a doctor and it put them into a ton of debt?
I would think so. . of course I'm not a doctor so can't speak for mine.
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Positions that are highly respected positions such as doctors or professors cost a ton of time and money to earn, causing a ton of debt.
Who highly respects a doctor? Are there good doctors? Of course. But they should never get respect because they are a doctor. Doctor is a trade degree that involves incredibly immature hazing practices, depends on certifications (Just paper) rather than performance, doesn't get judged in their field by performance but only be passing a minimum spec, have a known track record that is failing compared to zero training at all, follow every path that in any other circle would put them at the least respected tier.... what aspect of being a doctor makes them even remotely respectable?
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Which if it didn't cost so much money to become a doctor (not talking about reducing education efficiency or studies, just financial cost) than doctors wouldn't be forced to charge so much for the same basic services (which ultimately result in insurance payments) because the customer simply couldn't afford to pay for the service at those inflated rates.
The cost of healthcare is almost entirely from other sources, though. It's all insurance and overhead, not the cost of the doctors themselves. If we fixed those other things, the cost of the doctor would fade into background noise by comparison.
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@scottalanmiller said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Positions that are highly respected positions such as doctors or professors cost a ton of time and money to earn, causing a ton of debt.
Who highly respects a doctor? Are there good doctors? Of course. But they should never get respect because they are a doctor. Doctor is a trade degree that involves incredibly immature hazing practices, depends on certifications (Just paper) rather than performance, doesn't get judged in their field by performance but only be passing a minimum spec, have a known track record that is failing compared to zero training at all, follow every path that in any other circle would put them at the least respected tier.... what aspect of being a doctor makes them even remotely respectable?
That is why I italic'd the words "highly respected", its a figment of respect. Because it comes with a title.
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
That is why I italic'd the words "highly respected", its a figment of respect. Because it comes with a title.
A title associated with a lack of education (not learning much over a long number of years) and is often seen as a mark of shame. There is a reason that comparing many other fields (IT, engineers, etc.) to doctors is insulting.
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This is exactly why I will take experience over education every single time. It's also why I put little weight into certificates. Especially if they have a bunch of certs and no related experience.
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@pchiodo said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
This is exactly why I will take experience over education every single time. It's also why I put little weight into certificates. Especially if they have a bunch of certs and no related experience.
I always struggle with not seeing education as a negative. Whether it is the time wasted being taught by wanna be burger flippers or the otherwise unemployable, the entitlement it often engenders or the sign of bad life decision making that it suggests - why put up with that when there is an large pool of people who didn't do those things ready and willing to work? College shows a lack of work ethic, as well. I know of no positive thing demonstrated by college, but loads of negatives that it suggests.
I hate that because once in a while people go to college for innocent reasons that should not be held against them. But it is so uncommon that it seems like a waste of time not to use college as a filtering factor in hiring when you want to hire the best people.
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@scottalanmiller said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Which if it didn't cost so much money to become a doctor (not talking about reducing education efficiency or studies, just financial cost) than doctors wouldn't be forced to charge so much for the same basic services (which ultimately result in insurance payments) because the customer simply couldn't afford to pay for the service at those inflated rates.
The cost of healthcare is almost entirely from other sources, though. It's all insurance and overhead, not the cost of the doctors themselves. If we fixed those other things, the cost of the doctor would fade into background noise by comparison.
Of course healthcare is the burden compounded by insurance providers. HCP's say we need to charge X to keep people alive and the business going.
Insurance Providers say "we'll pay x" for this service.
Pharma companies say "screw you all, pay me $5000 per pill"
Doctors say "I have knowledge of these symptoms and can prescribe X Y and Z but I work for an HCP that charges X, I get a fee per client I see, therefor everyone gets the same treatment, regardless of service quality provided"
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Oh thank goodness. I thought this was going to be a sob story post about these people who should be able to earn something even though they made horrible decisions to take out insane student loans for something almost nobody cares about. It's not. It is about people wanting the rest of us to pay them to do something society doesn't really want or need.
These people need a dose of reality and a lesson in the sunk cost fallacy. Cut bait, head into the real world and learn a real skill.
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@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Oh thank goodness. I thought this was going to be a sob story post about these people who should be able to earn something even though they made horrible decisions to take out insane student loans for something almost nobody cares about. It's not. It is about people wanting the rest of us to pay them to do something society doesn't really want or need.
These people need a dose of reality and a lesson in the sunk cost fallacy. Cut bait, head into the real world and learn a real skill.
Now at the same time, I do not think teachers are worthless, but teaching is not a societal need, but a societal expectation.
Higher education is expected to be available and had by everyone, but not everyone wants to go to college. They might just want to go and work for a stone mason, and learn how to work with stone.
Its informal but practical education that teaches real world skills.
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Oh thank goodness. I thought this was going to be a sob story post about these people who should be able to earn something even though they made horrible decisions to take out insane student loans for something almost nobody cares about. It's not. It is about people wanting the rest of us to pay them to do something society doesn't really want or need.
These people need a dose of reality and a lesson in the sunk cost fallacy. Cut bait, head into the real world and learn a real skill.
Now at the same time, I do not think teachers are worthless, but teaching is not a societal need, but a societal expectation.
Higher education is expected to be available and had by everyone, but not everyone wants to go to college. They might just want to go and work for a stone mason, and learn how to work with stone.
Its informal but practical education that teaches real world skills.
I agree. Teachers are not worthless. My mother was a teacher her whole life.
Higher education should be just that- higher education. Don't coddle people in their pursuits of degrees or studies that serve no real purpose. There should never be loans given for those degrees. Imagine if people had to pay cash as they went for a degree in something that nobody needs or cares about. I would be very surprised if there weren't less than half the number of people in these self-created conditions.
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@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Oh thank goodness. I thought this was going to be a sob story post about these people who should be able to earn something even though they made horrible decisions to take out insane student loans for something almost nobody cares about. It's not. It is about people wanting the rest of us to pay them to do something society doesn't really want or need.
These people need a dose of reality and a lesson in the sunk cost fallacy. Cut bait, head into the real world and learn a real skill.
Now at the same time, I do not think teachers are worthless, but teaching is not a societal need, but a societal expectation.
Higher education is expected to be available and had by everyone, but not everyone wants to go to college. They might just want to go and work for a stone mason, and learn how to work with stone.
Its informal but practical education that teaches real world skills.
I agree. Teachers are not worthless. My mother was a teacher her whole life.
Higher education should be just that- higher education. Don't coddle people in their pursuits of degrees or studies that serve no real purpose. There should never be loans given for those degrees. Imagine if people had to pay cash as they went for a degree in something that nobody needs or cares about. I would be very surprised if there weren't less than half the number of people in these self-created conditions.
No loans, period. No degree is for getting a job, university training is for "general learning", it's not a trade school. So no degree should have loans.
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@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Oh thank goodness. I thought this was going to be a sob story post about these people who should be able to earn something even though they made horrible decisions to take out insane student loans for something almost nobody cares about. It's not. It is about people wanting the rest of us to pay them to do something society doesn't really want or need.
These people need a dose of reality and a lesson in the sunk cost fallacy. Cut bait, head into the real world and learn a real skill.
I think that that might be why they created all the pictures. But.... um yeah, no. They had money to get degrees that none of us got, and now want to get paid extra for having been lazy while we all worked at real jobs and learned real skills? That's nearly a personal attack on everyone who ever took the time to get a freaking job,
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@scottalanmiller said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Oh thank goodness. I thought this was going to be a sob story post about these people who should be able to earn something even though they made horrible decisions to take out insane student loans for something almost nobody cares about. It's not. It is about people wanting the rest of us to pay them to do something society doesn't really want or need.
These people need a dose of reality and a lesson in the sunk cost fallacy. Cut bait, head into the real world and learn a real skill.
Now at the same time, I do not think teachers are worthless, but teaching is not a societal need, but a societal expectation.
Higher education is expected to be available and had by everyone, but not everyone wants to go to college. They might just want to go and work for a stone mason, and learn how to work with stone.
Its informal but practical education that teaches real world skills.
I agree. Teachers are not worthless. My mother was a teacher her whole life.
Higher education should be just that- higher education. Don't coddle people in their pursuits of degrees or studies that serve no real purpose. There should never be loans given for those degrees. Imagine if people had to pay cash as they went for a degree in something that nobody needs or cares about. I would be very surprised if there weren't less than half the number of people in these self-created conditions.
No loans, period. No degree is for getting a job, university training is for "general learning", it's not a trade school. So no degree should have loans.
Fine with me. Imagine how much the cost of education would drop without loans.
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@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@scottalanmiller said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Oh thank goodness. I thought this was going to be a sob story post about these people who should be able to earn something even though they made horrible decisions to take out insane student loans for something almost nobody cares about. It's not. It is about people wanting the rest of us to pay them to do something society doesn't really want or need.
These people need a dose of reality and a lesson in the sunk cost fallacy. Cut bait, head into the real world and learn a real skill.
Now at the same time, I do not think teachers are worthless, but teaching is not a societal need, but a societal expectation.
Higher education is expected to be available and had by everyone, but not everyone wants to go to college. They might just want to go and work for a stone mason, and learn how to work with stone.
Its informal but practical education that teaches real world skills.
I agree. Teachers are not worthless. My mother was a teacher her whole life.
Higher education should be just that- higher education. Don't coddle people in their pursuits of degrees or studies that serve no real purpose. There should never be loans given for those degrees. Imagine if people had to pay cash as they went for a degree in something that nobody needs or cares about. I would be very surprised if there weren't less than half the number of people in these self-created conditions.
No loans, period. No degree is for getting a job, university training is for "general learning", it's not a trade school. So no degree should have loans.
Fine with me. Imagine how much the cost of education would drop without loans.
100% . . .
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National debt would decrease as well, meaning we might actually be able to pay off things we actually need, like medicine.
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@scottalanmiller said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@wrx7m said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
Oh thank goodness. I thought this was going to be a sob story post about these people who should be able to earn something even though they made horrible decisions to take out insane student loans for something almost nobody cares about. It's not. It is about people wanting the rest of us to pay them to do something society doesn't really want or need.
These people need a dose of reality and a lesson in the sunk cost fallacy. Cut bait, head into the real world and learn a real skill.
Now at the same time, I do not think teachers are worthless, but teaching is not a societal need, but a societal expectation.
Higher education is expected to be available and had by everyone, but not everyone wants to go to college. They might just want to go and work for a stone mason, and learn how to work with stone.
Its informal but practical education that teaches real world skills.
I agree. Teachers are not worthless. My mother was a teacher her whole life.
Higher education should be just that- higher education. Don't coddle people in their pursuits of degrees or studies that serve no real purpose. There should never be loans given for those degrees. Imagine if people had to pay cash as they went for a degree in something that nobody needs or cares about. I would be very surprised if there weren't less than half the number of people in these self-created conditions.
No loans, period. No degree is for getting a job, university training is for "general learning", it's not a trade school. So no degree should have loans.
Generally that might be true, but you aren't going to be a very good electrical engineer or chemist if you don't have a foundation in calculus/physical sciences with someone to teach you why things are the way they are. You can go read Wikipedia entries or get a world book encyclopedia, or read Principia Mathematica, but good luck learning any context without any guidance. Sure you don't usually do that stuff in the workplace, but you need to know how it works.
How can you design circuits without knowing what imaginary numbers are, why theyre used in circuit design, why they are irrational, why they are imaginary, why theyre useful in engineering.
