What Are You Doing Right Now
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
but everyone know that Red Hat is really the exception in that business.
I don't know anyone wh thinks that. Where are you finding this Luddites that know so little about software yet have money to invest? This seems archaic.
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@scottalanmiller RH is really an exception. The way today is:
- go big (millions of $) to have enough power to be critical for millions of users
- go with Freemium model
- or die
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller RH is really an exception. The way today is:
- go big (millions of $) to have enough power to be critical for millions of users
- go with Freemium model
- or die
I don't believe that at all. Freemium is a death sentence, that's what you do to dupe investors to ramp up cost and bail before it falls apart. ownCloud just forked to NextCloud for this very reason. ownCloud was effectively dead overnight, NextCloud looks to be doing well. Freemium is a myth, it makes people not very interested in your product while not keeping you closed. It's the worst of both worlds... not open, but not closed.
Going big is handy, but not necessary. It's handy for any company to go big, of course, but the feeling that you have to be on an epic scale just doesn't hold up. No company does well when too small, but it's actually closed source that MUST go big to survive as customers must depend on your survivability whereas with open source, they can gamble on a smaller company that might not have a viable financial future.
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That's my opinion/experience after 2y on the Open Source business (as a primary thing for my company I mean). Feel free to not share this point of view, but it cames from the field
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller RH is really an exception.
If by exception you mean "early example of how to do it right that has been successfully emulated many times". I think that the biggest mistake is looking at success stories and saying "all success is a fluke and the secret to success is to do the opposite even though it is statistically not viable and logically not viable and anecdotally not likely."
Instead of looking at good companies and thinking that they don't apply to you and doing the opposite, emulate success.
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It's the same thing that we talk about with IT careers. There is a certain pattern that we see where people look at successful IT people and say "they were a fluke" or "I don't think that their path will work for me" and instead of learning from people who have had success they turn to people that have failed, not tried or have done okay but not reached the levels that they desire and ask them how they go to where they are and emulate them instead. It's crazy, but people do it, all the time.
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I don't want to make an argument from authority, but I think there is a real gap between theory and the reality. Closed Source is like the dark side: easier and faster. But in the end, it's not good.
Open Source is therefore the opposite.
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@olivier I agree here with @scottalanmiller, sticking to the freemium approach is a horrid idea. You'd got an amazing product, you've got an amazing team, you've got the market of XenServer, and possible options of Hyper-V to expand into.
To further extend your supported customers have you considered doing an MSP partnership?
This way an MSP can work to propose a solution, and put your product as the backup appliance for that solution. The support fee goes straight to you, and the MSP supports the client directly.
All information of trouble would go through the MSP, and directly to you to pinpoint any issues.
You'd still provide the software for free of course, but you'd be selling the support to the MSP.
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We are in the process of working on commercial side for the next months, with some great business specialists.
I'll keep you posted.
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And as a follow up to that, I'm sure @Minion-Queen would love to discuss that possibility with you.
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We already have a partner program @DustinB3403
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
We already have a partner program @DustinB3403
Do you mind if I ask with who are you partnered?
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I can't remember all the partner names (a dozen). See the program description here: https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/partner
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I see you're Citrix partners which is awesome.
Are any MSP's a part of your partner program (boot on the ground types)?
Having a partnership with Citrix is a great start as you have a spot right on their website. I ask because I would think MSP's would be able to bring customers to you.
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That's the point of being "on the ground" for a partner/reseller, I don't think we have a reseller which is not reselling "locally"
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
That's the point of being "on the ground" for a partner/reseller, I don't think we have a reseller which is not reselling "locally"
good point.. lol
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
That's the point of being "on the ground" for a partner/reseller, I don't think we have a reseller which is not reselling "locally"
Speaking of on the ground, I Google Mapped your address from that link.
Did you see me looking in your windows, haha.
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@BRRABill Got it. Not yet, that's also because XenServer market isn't really big (I don't say "confidential" but close)
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@BRRABill Got it. Not yet, that's also because XenServer market isn't really big (I don't say "confidential" but close)
Huh?
I said I was looking at your business location on Google Maps Street View. Were you responding to someone else?
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@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just thinking on how the documentation here at Mangolassi.it is better than XenServer's official documentation, and heading to lunch.
There is Xen here at my new job. It looks simple. I havent spent much time in it and already feel comfortable.
What are they using to manage it?
XenCenter
Yeah I don't understand why you haven't built an XO vm yet, it's free to do so. And it really gets you to understand how solid of a product it is.
Because he literally just started.
