Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive
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@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
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Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
But hey, if things go south you can read in the dark - without any light
The nice green glow will be enough.I went to school for nuclear science, specifically for making nuclear weapons, and I can assure you that you can indeed read by the light of Uranium, if you have enough.
Not for long maybe, but yes, that works.
Well, radiation exposure works differently than commonly believed, in fact if you're conceived and born in a highly radioactive environment, you're actually extremely resistant to it (by that I mean a place radioactive as a result of human activity, not the surface of Mars, for example). It's why claims that Chernobyl would basically be sterile and kill everything for the next quadrillion years turned out to be total nonsense, and in fact people are already moving back there, animals are fine, plants are fine, but yes they do contain more radioactivity.
Radiation also doesn't cause deformity in the same way commonly claimed, it usually just causes sterility (not to say it can't, it certainly can deform). Additionally, the concept of nuclear winter is also unlikely, considering it was made up by Carl Sagan who was a good astronomer, but in every other field was always highly alarmist as well as pretty ignorant. It likely would be a nuclear autumn.
Not to down play this at all, literally billions would die, but long term humanity would absolutely survive, and life would go on.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
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Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
But hey, if things go south you can read in the dark - without any light
The nice green glow will be enough.I went to school for nuclear science, specifically for making nuclear weapons, and I can assure you that you can indeed read by the light of Uranium, if you have enough.
Not for long maybe, but yes, that works.
Well, radiation exposure works differently than commonly believed, in fact if you're conceived and born in a highly radioactive environment, you're actually extremely resistant to it (by that I mean a place radioactive as a result of human activity, not the surface of Mars, for example). It's why claims that Chernobyl would basically be sterile and kill everything for the next quadrillion years turned out to be total nonsense, and in fact people are already moving back there, animals are fine, plants are fine, but yes they do contain more radioactivity.
Radiation also doesn't cause deformity in the same way commonly claimed, it usually just causes sterility (not to say it can't, it certainly can deform). Additionally, the concept of nuclear winter is also unlikely, considering it was made up by Carl Sagan who was a good astronomer, but in every other field was always highly alarmist as well as pretty ignorant. It likely would be a nuclear autumn.
Not to down play this at all, literally billions would die, but long term humanity would absolutely survive, and life would go on.
Yeah, there are lots of false rumors about this. Thanks for the write-up.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
But hey, if things go south you can read in the dark - without any light
The nice green glow will be enough.I went to school for nuclear science, specifically for making nuclear weapons, and I can assure you that you can indeed read by the light of Uranium, if you have enough.
Not for long maybe, but yes, that works.
Well, radiation exposure works differently than commonly believed, in fact if you're conceived and born in a highly radioactive environment, you're actually extremely resistant to it (by that I mean a place radioactive as a result of human activity, not the surface of Mars, for example). It's why claims that Chernobyl would basically be sterile and kill everything for the next quadrillion years turned out to be total nonsense, and in fact people are already moving back there, animals are fine, plants are fine, but yes they do contain more radioactivity.
Radiation also doesn't cause deformity in the same way commonly claimed, it usually just causes sterility (not to say it can't, it certainly can deform). Additionally, the concept of nuclear winter is also unlikely, considering it was made up by Carl Sagan who was a good astronomer, but in every other field was always highly alarmist as well as pretty ignorant. It likely would be a nuclear autumn.
Not to down play this at all, literally billions would die, but long term humanity would absolutely survive, and life would go on.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
So do the "common" brass finish door knobs kill these germs or no?
I would expect these to be fake brass, and only for appearance.
Yes, common was the thing that they tested.
It's the copper more than the tin/zinc, in fact Egyptians didn't have brass or bronze, only copper, until the Romans invaded then they got the hook up. At any rate, it's why copper pipes in homes are really good, specifically for carrying water. They help cut down on bacteria forming whilst the water is just sitting there.
Yup, it is all the copper. Just that in brass there is enough of it to do the trick. NO pure copper needed.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
But hey, if things go south you can read in the dark - without any light
The nice green glow will be enough.I went to school for nuclear science, specifically for making nuclear weapons, and I can assure you that you can indeed read by the light of Uranium, if you have enough. Edit: I should clarify, that's only in specific instances, most of the time it only works under UV light.
If you have ENOUGH of it you can read easily by the light of it even hundreds of miles away
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
But hey, if things go south you can read in the dark - without any light
The nice green glow will be enough.I went to school for nuclear science, specifically for making nuclear weapons, and I can assure you that you can indeed read by the light of Uranium, if you have enough. Edit: I should clarify, that's only in specific instances, most of the time it only works under UV light.
If you have ENOUGH of it you can read easily by the light of it even hundreds of miles away
And for how long do you think that light source would last, I figure maybe 15 seconds....
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
But hey, if things go south you can read in the dark - without any light
The nice green glow will be enough.I went to school for nuclear science, specifically for making nuclear weapons, and I can assure you that you can indeed read by the light of Uranium, if you have enough. Edit: I should clarify, that's only in specific instances, most of the time it only works under UV light.
If you have ENOUGH of it you can read easily by the light of it even hundreds of miles away
And for how long do you think that light source would last, I figure maybe 15 seconds....
You can also see it through the roof of your house. I had to study extensively about nuclear war, and what was interesting was the descriptions of how when the atomic bombs in Japan exploded people could see the light through their roofs and so forth, the photons were that numerous and powerful. Additionally when you put your arm in front of your eyes, you can see the bones in your arm, that was reported by soldiers during testing as well.
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With a strong enough flash-light I can see the bones in my hand.
So needing a nuclear bomb to go off to see my bones seems unreasonable....
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
With a strong enough flash-light I can see the bones in my hand.
So needing a nuclear bomb to go off to see my bones seems unreasonable....
Of course, it's the same principle, and it won't work through the thick of your arm that well, and we're talking with your arm up to your face, and your eyes closed. And seeing it fairly well too, not just a redish outline. Try that with a flash light.
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@tonyshowoff My point is that no one should ever be so close to an explosion like that to see the bones in their body, through the roof of their house etc.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff My point is that no one should ever be so close to an explosion like that to see the bones in their body, through the roof of their house etc.
I agree, I advise to stay far away
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
But hey, if things go south you can read in the dark - without any light
The nice green glow will be enough.I went to school for nuclear science, specifically for making nuclear weapons, and I can assure you that you can indeed read by the light of Uranium, if you have enough.
Not for long maybe, but yes, that works.
Well, radiation exposure works differently than commonly believed, in fact if you're conceived and born in a highly radioactive environment, you're actually extremely resistant to it (by that I mean a place radioactive as a result of human activity, not the surface of Mars, for example). It's why claims that Chernobyl would basically be sterile and kill everything for the next quadrillion years turned out to be total nonsense, and in fact people are already moving back there, animals are fine, plants are fine, but yes they do contain more radioactivity.
Radiation also doesn't cause deformity in the same way commonly claimed, it usually just causes sterility (not to say it can't, it certainly can deform). Additionally, the concept of nuclear winter is also unlikely, considering it was made up by Carl Sagan who was a good astronomer, but in every other field was always highly alarmist as well as pretty ignorant. It likely would be a nuclear autumn.
Not to down play this at all, literally billions would die, but long term humanity would absolutely survive, and life would go on.
Interesting foot note, @andyw @Dominica and I all used to be next door neighbours to the Sagans.
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@scottalanmiller That's pretty wild. I once got in a fist fight with him in a men's room.
I'm lying I never met him.
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Stupid thought along the lines of the copper door knobs....
How come there aren't any bronze or copper toilet seats if they are this effective at killing germs...
You could easily design a heating system for them...
Maybe I should start a business / patient...
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stupid thought along the lines of the copper door knobs....
How come there aren't any bronze or copper toilet seats if they are this effective at killing germs...
You could easily design a heating system for them...
Maybe I should start a business / patient...
Well, you've got at least two people I know of here that could design the electronics for you. I could even make it a wifi connected toilet seat.... you know, for the marketing.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller That's pretty wild. I once got in a fist fight with him in a men's room.
I'm lying I never met him.
I never met him either, he was dead. But his wife lived on one side of us and his son one house past her. She was directly next door but was rarely home.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stupid thought along the lines of the copper door knobs....
How come there aren't any bronze or copper toilet seats if they are this effective at killing germs...
You could easily design a heating system for them...
Maybe I should start a business / patient...
Toilet seats aren't actually a big vector for germs. They tend to get cleaned more often than most other surfaces. Studies show that your keyboard has more poop germs on it than your toilet seat:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Germs/story?id=4774746
Maybe you should be looking at copper keyboards
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stupid thought along the lines of the copper door knobs....
How come there aren't any bronze or copper toilet seats if they are this effective at killing germs...
You could easily design a heating system for them...
Maybe I should start a business / patient...
Because... cold.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stupid thought along the lines of the copper door knobs....
How come there aren't any bronze or copper toilet seats if they are this effective at killing germs...
You could easily design a heating system for them...
Maybe I should start a business / patient...
Because... cold.
Obviously you'd need a heating element / maybe a wifi unit to help improve the experience
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stupid thought along the lines of the copper door knobs....
How come there aren't any bronze or copper toilet seats if they are this effective at killing germs...
You could easily design a heating system for them...
Maybe I should start a business / patient...
Just don't make them from cooper... since it's one of the most stolen items (wire, plumbing) in the area...
