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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Minion Queen
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      @Minion-Queen said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

      I do not keep a tight standard on all of you here for moderation, which you all know. You are all adults. I tend to take the suck it up buttercup philosophy ( in other words if you can't deal with someone being mean.....). Though honestly that isn't always the best course.

      I agree but think that this requires the buttercup to know that the conversation is happening. Being blunt to their face is different than being blunt in a different community that they don't know is discussing it.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by DustinB3403

        Problem resolved then.

        https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1688965-vmware-esxi-6-0-evaluation-period-expired?page=1#entry-5955544

        From now on, I'll happily (giddly) post to the OP that I am having a buttercup conversation about the situation others are in.

        I hope the same goes for anything I post here or elsewhere.

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        • MattSpellerM
          MattSpeller @DustinB3403
          last edited by MattSpeller

          @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

          Yet I don't feel that we've bashed, we've discussed their topics, and how to address the issues / initially configure the issues.

          This has been one of the exceptionally few things that bothers me about this forum. For my two cents I think we should keep the cross linking to a bare minimum and for interesting / news topics only. It does not "feel right" most of the time when I read about posts from there.

          This community can be a little... predatory... on the folks less experienced in IT. Well intentioned, absolutely. But a little vicious to the unwary.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
            last edited by

            @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

            This community can be a little... predatory... on the folks less experienced in IT. Well intentioned, absolutely. But a little vicious to the unwary.

            that's a tough balance. Hopefully it is only predatory to those those that refuse help or refuse to do anything themselves. Newbies looking for real help and advice and to learn from others hopefully find it exceptionally welcoming. We don't get many of either directly, though.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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              @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

              Problem resolved then.

              https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1688965-vmware-esxi-6-0-evaluation-period-expired?page=1#entry-5955544

              From now on, I'll happily (giddly) post to the OP that I am having a buttercup conversation about the situation others are in.

              I hope the same goes for anything I post here or elsewhere.

              Yes, I think that likely that that will help. Also, be sure to post in the thread that they have been invited. This lets them know that there is something for them to discuss and it lets us know that they might be popping in.

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              • thwrT
                thwr @MattSpeller
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                @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                Yet I don't feel that we've bashed, we've discussed their topics, and how to address the issues / initially configure the issues.

                This has been one of the exceptionally few things that bothers me about this forum. For my two cents I think we should keep the cross linking to a bare minimum and for interesting / news topics only. It does not "feel right" most of the time when I read about posts from there.

                This community can be a little... predatory... on the folks less experienced in IT. Well intentioned, absolutely. But a little vicious to the unwary.

                Well, this very community IS IT. Also, ML's NodeBB is a very fast paced system, that's another problem / feature.

                To take up some cludges for @DustinB3403, it was not him alone. We're all shaking our heads about all the quiz questions, @Dashrender called it "beating a dead horse", just for example.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @thwr
                  last edited by

                  @thwr said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                  @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                  @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                  Yet I don't feel that we've bashed, we've discussed their topics, and how to address the issues / initially configure the issues.

                  This has been one of the exceptionally few things that bothers me about this forum. For my two cents I think we should keep the cross linking to a bare minimum and for interesting / news topics only. It does not "feel right" most of the time when I read about posts from there.

                  This community can be a little... predatory... on the folks less experienced in IT. Well intentioned, absolutely. But a little vicious to the unwary.

                  Well, this very community IS IT. Also, ML's NodeBB is a very fast paced system, that's another problem / feature.

                  To take up some cludges for @DustinB3403, it was not him alone. We're all shaking our heads about all the quiz questions, @Dashrender called it "beating a dead horse", just for example.

                  At least the quiz answers are not a person. It's not an attack, just frustration.

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                  • MattSpellerM
                    MattSpeller @thwr
                    last edited by MattSpeller

                    @thwr said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                    @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                    @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                    Yet I don't feel that we've bashed, we've discussed their topics, and how to address the issues / initially configure the issues.

                    This has been one of the exceptionally few things that bothers me about this forum. For my two cents I think we should keep the cross linking to a bare minimum and for interesting / news topics only. It does not "feel right" most of the time when I read about posts from there.

                    This community can be a little... predatory... on the folks less experienced in IT. Well intentioned, absolutely. But a little vicious to the unwary.

                    Well, this very community IS IT. Also, ML's NodeBB is a very fast paced system, that's another problem / feature.

                    To take up some cludges for @DustinB3403, it was not him alone. We're all shaking our heads about all the quiz questions, @Dashrender called it "beating a dead horse", just for example.

                    It's very fast paced and ruthless - which is I think some of this place's best qualities. Just need to be careful we don't "eat our young" as it were.

                    How many of us came over from SpiceWorks?

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                      LAH3385
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                      Some people make mistakes unknowingly, some foresee everything crumbling down and not take any action until it collapsed. As for OP... I would call him an idiot for letting it happens based on the information I have on him...which is nothing, zero, nada. I don't know what kind of situation he is in and I cannot fully call him out for what had happened. But that doesn't changed the fact that it already happened.

                      He might be short on budget? He might be running on VMWare without proper approval from management or higher ups? I could think of couple reasons as to why he would not/could not get a license for his infrastructure. If it's REALLY important and he neglect it then idiot seem fitting. Again.. I don't know the story behind it.

                      I feels calling someone dense without reason is out of line, but it's not out of context.

                      @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                      This community can be a little... predatory... on the folks less experienced in IT. Well intentioned, absolutely. But a little vicious to the unwary.

                      I don't feel like that. I am new to System Admin with little to no experience prior. That was a year ago. I spent 60-70hours a week the first couple months to get me on track and SAM, SW, and Mangolassi-an has been a great help so far. Yes, I made mistakes. Yes, I almost implement IPOD on my infrastructure. But I learned. I grow. All thanks to you guys here (and SW).

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
                        last edited by

                        @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                        @thwr said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                        @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                        @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                        Yet I don't feel that we've bashed, we've discussed their topics, and how to address the issues / initially configure the issues.

                        This has been one of the exceptionally few things that bothers me about this forum. For my two cents I think we should keep the cross linking to a bare minimum and for interesting / news topics only. It does not "feel right" most of the time when I read about posts from there.

                        This community can be a little... predatory... on the folks less experienced in IT. Well intentioned, absolutely. But a little vicious to the unwary.

                        Well, this very community IS IT. Also, ML's NodeBB is a very fast paced system, that's another problem / feature.

                        To take up some cludges for @DustinB3403, it was not him alone. We're all shaking our heads about all the quiz questions, @Dashrender called it "beating a dead horse", just for example.

                        It's very fast paced and ruthless - which is I think some of this place's best qualities. Just need to be careful we don't "eat our young" as it were.

                        Very true. No doubt that the pace is the strength. But boy does it put pressure on new posters. Especially if they are used to a slow platform and have no idea that things are basically instant.

                        If you are used to communities where responses wait for emails to go out on a schedule, then people respond eventually... this place is SO different.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @LAH3385
                          last edited by

                          @LAH3385 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                          He might be short on budget? He might be running on VMWare without proper approval from management or higher ups? I could think of couple reasons as to why he would not/could not get a license for his infrastructure. If it's REALLY important and he neglect it then idiot seem fitting. Again.. I don't know the story behind it.

                          This is really for the other thread, but he or someone opted not to run the free version, hence the problem. No one thought that he was 'dense' as the term was for running free, but for not bothering to run free and running the "time out" evaluation instead.

                          So if he didn't get approval or didn't have budget would not be an issue here.

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                          • thwrT
                            thwr @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by thwr

                            @scottalanmiller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                            @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                            @thwr said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                            @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                            @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                            Yet I don't feel that we've bashed, we've discussed their topics, and how to address the issues / initially configure the issues.

                            This has been one of the exceptionally few things that bothers me about this forum. For my two cents I think we should keep the cross linking to a bare minimum and for interesting / news topics only. It does not "feel right" most of the time when I read about posts from there.

                            This community can be a little... predatory... on the folks less experienced in IT. Well intentioned, absolutely. But a little vicious to the unwary.

                            Well, this very community IS IT. Also, ML's NodeBB is a very fast paced system, that's another problem / feature.

                            To take up some cludges for @DustinB3403, it was not him alone. We're all shaking our heads about all the quiz questions, @Dashrender called it "beating a dead horse", just for example.

                            It's very fast paced and ruthless - which is I think some of this place's best qualities. Just need to be careful we don't "eat our young" as it were.

                            Very true. No doubt that the pace is the strength. But boy does it put pressure on new posters. Especially if they are used to a slow platform and have no idea that things are basically instant.

                            If you are used to communities where responses wait for emails to go out on a schedule, then people respond eventually... this place is SO different.

                            That's still a problem for me. Wrote my above post 3 times because I need to follow the discussion, translate, adapt the post... rinse and repeat. Final post was way shorter than initially planned. Like 1/10th of the length.

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                              LAH3385 @scottalanmiller
                              last edited by LAH3385

                              @scottalanmiller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                              @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                              @thwr said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                              @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                              @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                              Yet I don't feel that we've bashed, we've discussed their topics, and how to address the issues / initially configure the issues.

                              This has been one of the exceptionally few things that bothers me about this forum. For my two cents I think we should keep the cross linking to a bare minimum and for interesting / news topics only. It does not "feel right" most of the time when I read about posts from there.

                              This community can be a little... predatory... on the folks less experienced in IT. Well intentioned, absolutely. But a little vicious to the unwary.

                              Well, this very community IS IT. Also, ML's NodeBB is a very fast paced system, that's another problem / feature.

                              To take up some cludges for @DustinB3403, it was not him alone. We're all shaking our heads about all the quiz questions, @Dashrender called it "beating a dead horse", just for example.

                              It's very fast paced and ruthless - which is I think some of this place's best qualities. Just need to be careful we don't "eat our young" as it were.

                              Very true. No doubt that the pace is the strength. But boy does it put pressure on new posters. Especially if they are used to a slow platform and have no idea that things are basically instant.

                              If you are used to communities where responses wait for emails to go out on a schedule, then people respond eventually... this place is SO different.

                              I posted a simple question about SSL certs, and expecting 5-6 replies, but I got A LOT more than I bargain for. In the end I learn of other services, certbot, that answer my question in a different way.

                              EDIT: let's try not to sidetrack from original topic here. Fastpace forum discussion can be a whole thread by itself.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @LAH3385
                                last edited by

                                @LAH3385 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                I don't feel like that. I am new to System Admin with little to no experience prior. That was a year ago. I spent 60-70hours a week the first couple months to get me on track and SAM, SW, and Mangolassi-an has been a great help so far. Yes, I made mistakes. Yes, I almost implement IPOD on my infrastructure. But I learned. I grow. All thanks to you guys here (and SW).

                                I think, after many years in multiple places, that ML generally is more blunt but less predatory than the alternative. But we have to carefully remember and consciously keep it that way. It's very easy to get frustrated and let it go down hill.

                                By keeping the blunt, though, we also maintain that it is not socially acceptable to not listen. On some other sites, not listening is seen as "cool" or something. Much like a culture of celebrating ignorance. If we start thinking of it being "cool and individualistic" to not listen to industry experience then it becomes acceptable to do reckless things.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                                  @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                  Problem resolved then.

                                  https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1688965-vmware-esxi-6-0-evaluation-period-expired?page=1#entry-5955544

                                  From now on, I'll happily (giddly) post to the OP that I am having a buttercup conversation about the situation others are in.

                                  I hope the same goes for anything I post here or elsewhere.

                                  LOL - won't you be banned and or moderated for posting links to here in SW?

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @thwr
                                    last edited by

                                    @thwr said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                    @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                    @thwr said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                    @MattSpeller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                    @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                    Yet I don't feel that we've bashed, we've discussed their topics, and how to address the issues / initially configure the issues.

                                    This has been one of the exceptionally few things that bothers me about this forum. For my two cents I think we should keep the cross linking to a bare minimum and for interesting / news topics only. It does not "feel right" most of the time when I read about posts from there.

                                    This community can be a little... predatory... on the folks less experienced in IT. Well intentioned, absolutely. But a little vicious to the unwary.

                                    Well, this very community IS IT. Also, ML's NodeBB is a very fast paced system, that's another problem / feature.

                                    To take up some cludges for @DustinB3403, it was not him alone. We're all shaking our heads about all the quiz questions, @Dashrender called it "beating a dead horse", just for example.

                                    It's very fast paced and ruthless - which is I think some of this place's best qualities. Just need to be careful we don't "eat our young" as it were.

                                    Very true. No doubt that the pace is the strength. But boy does it put pressure on new posters. Especially if they are used to a slow platform and have no idea that things are basically instant.

                                    If you are used to communities where responses wait for emails to go out on a schedule, then people respond eventually... this place is SO different.

                                    That's still a problem for me. Wrote my above post 3 times because I need to follow the discussion, translate, adapt the post... rinse and repeat. Final post was way shorter than initially planned. Like 1/10th of the length.

                                    Good for improving English quickly! Feel free to post in German and slow us down.

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                      By keeping the blunt, though, we also maintain that it is not socially acceptable to not listen. On some other sites, not listening is seen as "cool" or something. Much like a culture of celebrating ignorance. If we start thinking of it being "cool and individualistic" to not listen to industry experience then it becomes acceptable to do reckless things.

                                      So if going to a fully blunt state of mind when replying (like in the above example that @Jstear thinks is fine to have been deleted) doesn't that just ruin the community to have honest and blunt replies deleted?

                                      Does it matter if it starts off blunt or eventually gets there?

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        @Dashrender said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                        LOL - won't you be banned and or moderated for posting links to here in SW?

                                        Some of us will be, some should not be. Depends on how they interpret you. But you can IM the OP, you don't have to post a public link.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          @Dashrender said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                          @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                          Problem resolved then.

                                          https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1688965-vmware-esxi-6-0-evaluation-period-expired?page=1#entry-5955544

                                          From now on, I'll happily (giddly) post to the OP that I am having a buttercup conversation about the situation others are in.

                                          I hope the same goes for anything I post here or elsewhere.

                                          LOL - won't you be banned and or moderated for posting links to here in SW?

                                          Honestly I have no idea, @Minion-Queen might have a talking to me on Friday. Ha. But this is a matter of being honest and open, what draws the bots, should draw new users as well.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                            @DustinB3403 said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Is it bashing to ask what other were thinking:

                                            By keeping the blunt, though, we also maintain that it is not socially acceptable to not listen. On some other sites, not listening is seen as "cool" or something. Much like a culture of celebrating ignorance. If we start thinking of it being "cool and individualistic" to not listen to industry experience then it becomes acceptable to do reckless things.

                                            So if going to a fully blunt state of mind when replying (like in the above example that @Jstear thinks is fine to have been deleted) doesn't that just ruin the community to have honest and blunt replies deleted?

                                            Does it matter if it starts off blunt or eventually gets there?

                                            I don't follow this question.

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