The CEO of NEST resigns
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@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@coliver said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Then there's the problem of - what did the NEST really provide? Remote access to your thermostat? is that something most people need/want/care about?
So I went on vacation, I'm coming home today, so in the morning I'll remote into the thermostat and dial the temp down (assuming summer)? really? I'm willing to pay $250 to do this maybe 2-3 times a year? Do I save enough in heating/cooling to justify this cost?
Otherwise I see no purpose in this device.
Other people were wanting remote sensors on their Nest Thermostat - but what good is that? Most homes are single zone homes, so if you cool/heat a different part of the home to its comfort zone, the rest of the home could be off temp wise.. so again pointless.
Honeywell has this features on their one-step-above basic model. I think it's like 50 or 60$
Cool - does honeywell have a portal on their website for managing it? I wonder how it's security is?
That I don't know. I never used one just stocked them at the small hardware store I used to work for.
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@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@coliver said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Then there's the problem of - what did the NEST really provide? Remote access to your thermostat? is that something most people need/want/care about?
So I went on vacation, I'm coming home today, so in the morning I'll remote into the thermostat and dial the temp down (assuming summer)? really? I'm willing to pay $250 to do this maybe 2-3 times a year? Do I save enough in heating/cooling to justify this cost?
Otherwise I see no purpose in this device.
Other people were wanting remote sensors on their Nest Thermostat - but what good is that? Most homes are single zone homes, so if you cool/heat a different part of the home to its comfort zone, the rest of the home could be off temp wise.. so again pointless.
Honeywell has this features on their one-step-above basic model. I think it's like 50 or 60$
Cool - does honeywell have a portal on their website for managing it? I wonder how it's security is?
No, it's direct.
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@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@coliver said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Then there's the problem of - what did the NEST really provide? Remote access to your thermostat? is that something most people need/want/care about?
So I went on vacation, I'm coming home today, so in the morning I'll remote into the thermostat and dial the temp down (assuming summer)? really? I'm willing to pay $250 to do this maybe 2-3 times a year? Do I save enough in heating/cooling to justify this cost?
Otherwise I see no purpose in this device.
Other people were wanting remote sensors on their Nest Thermostat - but what good is that? Most homes are single zone homes, so if you cool/heat a different part of the home to its comfort zone, the rest of the home could be off temp wise.. so again pointless.
Honeywell has this features on their one-step-above basic model. I think it's like 50 or 60$
Cool - does honeywell have a portal on their website for managing it? I wonder how it's security is?
No, it's direct.
So you have to know either the IP or setup a DNS for it, and publish it through your firewall?
I wonder how secure the device is?
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@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@coliver said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Then there's the problem of - what did the NEST really provide? Remote access to your thermostat? is that something most people need/want/care about?
So I went on vacation, I'm coming home today, so in the morning I'll remote into the thermostat and dial the temp down (assuming summer)? really? I'm willing to pay $250 to do this maybe 2-3 times a year? Do I save enough in heating/cooling to justify this cost?
Otherwise I see no purpose in this device.
Other people were wanting remote sensors on their Nest Thermostat - but what good is that? Most homes are single zone homes, so if you cool/heat a different part of the home to its comfort zone, the rest of the home could be off temp wise.. so again pointless.
Honeywell has this features on their one-step-above basic model. I think it's like 50 or 60$
Cool - does honeywell have a portal on their website for managing it? I wonder how it's security is?
No, it's direct.
So you have to know either the IP or setup a DNS for it, and publish it through your firewall?
I wonder how secure the device is?
Yes
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@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@coliver said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Then there's the problem of - what did the NEST really provide? Remote access to your thermostat? is that something most people need/want/care about?
So I went on vacation, I'm coming home today, so in the morning I'll remote into the thermostat and dial the temp down (assuming summer)? really? I'm willing to pay $250 to do this maybe 2-3 times a year? Do I save enough in heating/cooling to justify this cost?
Otherwise I see no purpose in this device.
Other people were wanting remote sensors on their Nest Thermostat - but what good is that? Most homes are single zone homes, so if you cool/heat a different part of the home to its comfort zone, the rest of the home could be off temp wise.. so again pointless.
Honeywell has this features on their one-step-above basic model. I think it's like 50 or 60$
Cool - does honeywell have a portal on their website for managing it? I wonder how it's security is?
No, it's direct.
So you have to know either the IP or setup a DNS for it, and publish it through your firewall?
I wonder how secure the device is?
Yes
easy enough for you and I, but the home user, forgetaboutit
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Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
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@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
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@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
wasn't it just a website interface? At least that's what I would expect it to be.
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@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
wasn't it just a website interface? At least that's what I would expect it to be.
They never showed that (to me) it was always a dial without obvious ways to do anything useful.
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@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
wasn't it just a website interface? At least that's what I would expect it to be.
They never showed that (to me) it was always a dial without obvious ways to do anything useful.
like what? What useful things did you want to do? Could you not program the times to make a temp be what you want just like a normal programmable?
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@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
wasn't it just a website interface? At least that's what I would expect it to be.
They never showed that (to me) it was always a dial without obvious ways to do anything useful.
like what? What useful things did you want to do? Could you not program the times to make a temp be what you want just like a normal programmable?
I have no idea. It just had a ring and no obvious tools for doing basic settings. So my assumption was no. They never showed anything but people manually turning it up and down all of the time.
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I believe the idea is that it is smart, so it learns what you want, rather than you programming it like a traditional thermostat. No idea how, though.
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@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
wasn't it just a website interface? At least that's what I would expect it to be.
They never showed that (to me) it was always a dial without obvious ways to do anything useful.
like what? What useful things did you want to do? Could you not program the times to make a temp be what you want just like a normal programmable?
I have no idea. It just had a ring and no obvious tools for doing basic settings. So my assumption was no. They never showed anything but people manually turning it up and down all of the time.
Their early marketing was you manually turn it up and down constantly for about 2 weeks and it learns. Afterwards, just a nudge will help it as your lifestyle changes.
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@JaredBusch said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
wasn't it just a website interface? At least that's what I would expect it to be.
They never showed that (to me) it was always a dial without obvious ways to do anything useful.
like what? What useful things did you want to do? Could you not program the times to make a temp be what you want just like a normal programmable?
I have no idea. It just had a ring and no obvious tools for doing basic settings. So my assumption was no. They never showed anything but people manually turning it up and down all of the time.
Their early marketing was you manually turn it up and down constantly for about 2 weeks and it learns. Afterwards, just a nudge will help it as your lifestyle changes.
Ah... that's... interesting. But that sure sounds negative to me. I want it to do what I want, not wait a few weeks and start guessing at what I want. I could see people who don't understand thermostats wanting that. It would be terrible for us, though, as my wife doesn't know how thermostats work and would do one kind of adjustment and I would do another (she things that higher settings heat the house faster and nothing convinces her otherwise.) So it would learn terribly.
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@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
I believe the idea is that it is smart, so it learns what you want, rather than you programming it like a traditional thermostat. No idea how, though.
If that is the definition of "smart", then the company is dumb because they didn't learn what I wanted in a product
My schedule is not stable so it would have no way to learn anything useful. It would be horrific, I'm sure.
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@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
I believe the idea is that it is smart, so it learns what you want, rather than you programming it like a traditional thermostat. No idea how, though.
If that is the definition of "smart", then the company is dumb because they didn't learn what I wanted in a product
My schedule is not stable so it would have no way to learn anything useful. It would be horrific, I'm sure.
So because the product doesn't work for you, it's horrible? yeah I'm just tossin' that at ya.
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I'd really just like a thermostat that is designed to ignore whatever settings my wife and kids try and set. It would have to pretend that it hadn't ignored them, though.
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@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@JaredBusch said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
wasn't it just a website interface? At least that's what I would expect it to be.
They never showed that (to me) it was always a dial without obvious ways to do anything useful.
like what? What useful things did you want to do? Could you not program the times to make a temp be what you want just like a normal programmable?
I have no idea. It just had a ring and no obvious tools for doing basic settings. So my assumption was no. They never showed anything but people manually turning it up and down all of the time.
Their early marketing was you manually turn it up and down constantly for about 2 weeks and it learns. Afterwards, just a nudge will help it as your lifestyle changes.
Ah... that's... interesting. But that sure sounds negative to me. I want it to do what I want, not wait a few weeks and start guessing at what I want. I could see people who don't understand thermostats wanting that. It would be terrible for us, though, as my wife doesn't know how thermostats work and would do one kind of adjustment and I would do another (she things that higher settings heat the house faster and nothing convinces her otherwise.) So it would learn terribly.
You'd wind up with a Bipolar Thermostat... Icicles hanging off the vents one minute, and water pooling underneath them the next.
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Do people really change their thermostat that much? We have two settings 65 in the winter and off in the summer.
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@coliver said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Do people really change their thermostat that much? We have two settings 65 in the winter and off in the summer.
Yes. My wife and I fight over the temperature all year long. In the summer, I nudge it up to keep the house warmer and save money... She wants to keep it 68 in the house...
During the winter, I want to keep it 68 in the house, and she nudges it up to 78. lol.
