T-Mobile Service in Canada
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Your point was that you felt that the T-Mobile solution was not great for people trying to reach them from non-T-Mobile countries. And my point is that it is, as the things you are thinking of do not apply. people in those countries generally deal with this every day, even as non-travellers, and have it solved. It's only communications "back home" that the phone number components are useful and they work great.
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Yeah - I hadn't considered that most users in Europe would have already solved this problem because as you mention the likeliness of needing international contact is so much higher there.
That also explains why What's App adoption is SOO much higher in Europe than the US.
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@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
Yeah - I hadn't considered that most users in Europe would have already solved this problem because as you mention the likeliness of needing international contact is so much higher there.
That also explains why What's App adoption is SOO much higher in Europe than the US.
It's not just the international connections, it's the constant changing of SIMs so that no one has a steady phone number. Anyone who travels without T-Mobile, more or less, either goes without service or has to get a temporary number when travelling which breaks nearly everything. It's common in much of the world to flip SIMs constantly to get the best rates or coverage. In the Philippines they do this even on the islands all just to get better deals for different usage.
The SIM changing thing has effectively destroyed the usefulness of the traditional phone number and with it, phone calls and texting for regular contact in these areas.
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@scottalanmiller said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
Yeah - I hadn't considered that most users in Europe would have already solved this problem because as you mention the likeliness of needing international contact is so much higher there.
That also explains why What's App adoption is SOO much higher in Europe than the US.
It's not just the international connections, it's the constant changing of SIMs so that no one has a steady phone number. Anyone who travels without T-Mobile, more or less, either goes without service or has to get a temporary number when travelling which breaks nearly everything. It's common in much of the world to flip SIMs constantly to get the best rates or coverage. In the Philippines they do this even on the islands all just to get better deals for different usage.
The SIM changing thing has effectively destroyed the usefulness of the traditional phone number and with it, phone calls and texting for regular contact in these areas.
Hasn't this been a problem for cell phones in Europe and places where people have to move between vendors/countries since the beginning? So really the nice thing now, you can easily move away from this problem with data and a hosted PBX solution (assuming you need voice), otherwise messaging through any number of apps solves that problem.
Sure you still have to deal with the hassle of the changing SIMs to get data at a good price, but the number part can go away.
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Yes, for those who have struggled to have access to a common, portable number, that is true. Although really I think phone number alternatives, like Skype, are the big winners here.
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@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@scottalanmiller said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
Yeah - I hadn't considered that most users in Europe would have already solved this problem because as you mention the likeliness of needing international contact is so much higher there.
That also explains why What's App adoption is SOO much higher in Europe than the US.
It's not just the international connections, it's the constant changing of SIMs so that no one has a steady phone number. Anyone who travels without T-Mobile, more or less, either goes without service or has to get a temporary number when travelling which breaks nearly everything. It's common in much of the world to flip SIMs constantly to get the best rates or coverage. In the Philippines they do this even on the islands all just to get better deals for different usage.
The SIM changing thing has effectively destroyed the usefulness of the traditional phone number and with it, phone calls and texting for regular contact in these areas.
Hasn't this been a problem for cell phones in Europe and places where people have to move between vendors/countries since the beginning? So really the nice thing now, you can easily move away from this problem with data and a hosted PBX solution (assuming you need voice), otherwise messaging through any number of apps solves that problem.
Sure you still have to deal with the hassle of the changing SIMs to get data at a good price, but the number part can go away.
It's not that much of a problem in the EU (remember: EU != Europe) anymore because we finally got free roaming within all member states.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_roaming_regulations
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/27/europe-abolishes-mobile-phone-roaming-charges -
@scottalanmiller said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@BBigford said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
What does your friend use currently? A semi-local Canadian carrier and multiple SIMs with various extra charges?
Yeah. Has to get local SIMs in every country that he visits. Which is doable, but a pain.
Yup I deal with this every day. Canadians who travel internationally often get their phone unlocked and get sims strategically to cover the trip. Many of our plans include 2500 forwarding minutes and that's a common way to make sure you stay connected.
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@thwr said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@scottalanmiller said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
Yeah - I hadn't considered that most users in Europe would have already solved this problem because as you mention the likeliness of needing international contact is so much higher there.
That also explains why What's App adoption is SOO much higher in Europe than the US.
It's not just the international connections, it's the constant changing of SIMs so that no one has a steady phone number. Anyone who travels without T-Mobile, more or less, either goes without service or has to get a temporary number when travelling which breaks nearly everything. It's common in much of the world to flip SIMs constantly to get the best rates or coverage. In the Philippines they do this even on the islands all just to get better deals for different usage.
The SIM changing thing has effectively destroyed the usefulness of the traditional phone number and with it, phone calls and texting for regular contact in these areas.
Hasn't this been a problem for cell phones in Europe and places where people have to move between vendors/countries since the beginning? So really the nice thing now, you can easily move away from this problem with data and a hosted PBX solution (assuming you need voice), otherwise messaging through any number of apps solves that problem.
Sure you still have to deal with the hassle of the changing SIMs to get data at a good price, but the number part can go away.
It's not that much of a problem in the EU (remember: EU != Europe) anymore because we finally got free roaming within all member states.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_roaming_regulations
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/27/europe-abolishes-mobile-phone-roaming-chargesHuh - that didn't seem to be the case when I was there 3 years ago.. but Cool!
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@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@thwr said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@scottalanmiller said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
Yeah - I hadn't considered that most users in Europe would have already solved this problem because as you mention the likeliness of needing international contact is so much higher there.
That also explains why What's App adoption is SOO much higher in Europe than the US.
It's not just the international connections, it's the constant changing of SIMs so that no one has a steady phone number. Anyone who travels without T-Mobile, more or less, either goes without service or has to get a temporary number when travelling which breaks nearly everything. It's common in much of the world to flip SIMs constantly to get the best rates or coverage. In the Philippines they do this even on the islands all just to get better deals for different usage.
The SIM changing thing has effectively destroyed the usefulness of the traditional phone number and with it, phone calls and texting for regular contact in these areas.
Hasn't this been a problem for cell phones in Europe and places where people have to move between vendors/countries since the beginning? So really the nice thing now, you can easily move away from this problem with data and a hosted PBX solution (assuming you need voice), otherwise messaging through any number of apps solves that problem.
Sure you still have to deal with the hassle of the changing SIMs to get data at a good price, but the number part can go away.
It's not that much of a problem in the EU (remember: EU != Europe) anymore because we finally got free roaming within all member states.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_roaming_regulations
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/27/europe-abolishes-mobile-phone-roaming-chargesHuh - that didn't seem to be the case when I was there 3 years ago.. but Cool!
How many countries did you go to?
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@scottalanmiller said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@thwr said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@scottalanmiller said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
@Dashrender said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
Yeah - I hadn't considered that most users in Europe would have already solved this problem because as you mention the likeliness of needing international contact is so much higher there.
That also explains why What's App adoption is SOO much higher in Europe than the US.
It's not just the international connections, it's the constant changing of SIMs so that no one has a steady phone number. Anyone who travels without T-Mobile, more or less, either goes without service or has to get a temporary number when travelling which breaks nearly everything. It's common in much of the world to flip SIMs constantly to get the best rates or coverage. In the Philippines they do this even on the islands all just to get better deals for different usage.
The SIM changing thing has effectively destroyed the usefulness of the traditional phone number and with it, phone calls and texting for regular contact in these areas.
Hasn't this been a problem for cell phones in Europe and places where people have to move between vendors/countries since the beginning? So really the nice thing now, you can easily move away from this problem with data and a hosted PBX solution (assuming you need voice), otherwise messaging through any number of apps solves that problem.
Sure you still have to deal with the hassle of the changing SIMs to get data at a good price, but the number part can go away.
It's not that much of a problem in the EU (remember: EU != Europe) anymore because we finally got free roaming within all member states.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_roaming_regulations
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/27/europe-abolishes-mobile-phone-roaming-chargesHuh - that didn't seem to be the case when I was there 3 years ago.. but Cool!
How many countries did you go to?
UK, France, Germany and Italy.
I only bought cards in Germany and Italy.
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@Dashrender That's quite new. They constantly reduced costs for roaming and eventually dropped them completely. EU would have forced that anyway by mid of 2017 AFAIK.
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That's cool! So I can buy a single SIM for voice and data for my upcoming trip?
UK/Ireland/Netherlands/Germany?
Do you have a company suggestion to buy the SIM from? I want data more than anything else.
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Also, does anyone here in the US have T-Mobile? I need to add another iPhone to my plan, and that will involve upgrading from my 10 year old data plan to something more modern. (I currently have AT&T.)
T-Mobile is looking pretty good.
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@BRRABill said in T-Mobile Service in Canada:
Also, does anyone here in the US have T-Mobile? I need to add another iPhone to my plan, and that will involve upgrading from my 10 year old data plan to something more modern. (I currently have AT&T.)
T-Mobile is looking pretty good.
The more that you add, the better T-Mobile gets.
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@scottalanmiller said
The more that you add, the better T-Mobile gets.
You mentioned, perhaps privately, to look into adding everyone in our company, including family members.
Do people actually do that? To me, it's always seemed like a PITA. Business users, sure. But family members?
