Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti
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@Dashrender said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@coliver said:
The big problem that I see with those in-the-wall units is that they are slow. 150Mb/s... half as slow as the AC Lite units which are only 30$ more.
really? do you need much more than this for application it's meant for? Also, how many places are providing 150 Mb to the internet?
Outside of the US it is very common and the US is getting there quickly.
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@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Dashrender said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@coliver said:
The big problem that I see with those in-the-wall units is that they are slow. 150Mb/s... half as slow as the AC Lite units which are only 30$ more.
really? do you need much more than this for application it's meant for? Also, how many places are providing 150 Mb to the internet?
Outside of the US it is very common and the US is getting there quickly.
Maybe quick by US standards, but certainly not quick.
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@JaredBusch said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Dashrender said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@coliver said:
The big problem that I see with those in-the-wall units is that they are slow. 150Mb/s... half as slow as the AC Lite units which are only 30$ more.
really? do you need much more than this for application it's meant for? Also, how many places are providing 150 Mb to the internet?
Outside of the US it is very common and the US is getting there quickly.
Maybe quick by US standards, but certainly not quick.
I certainly wouldn't call it quick even by US standards. Maybe we'll see the average business have a 150 Mb pipe in the next 5 years.
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@Dashrender said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@JaredBusch said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Dashrender said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@coliver said:
The big problem that I see with those in-the-wall units is that they are slow. 150Mb/s... half as slow as the AC Lite units which are only 30$ more.
really? do you need much more than this for application it's meant for? Also, how many places are providing 150 Mb to the internet?
Outside of the US it is very common and the US is getting there quickly.
Maybe quick by US standards, but certainly not quick.
I certainly wouldn't call it quick even by US standards. Maybe we'll see the average business have a 150 Mb pipe in the next 5 years.
It'll be available. Whether or not people take advantage of it....
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Do you need 150MB as a solo user? How can you take advantage of it if the content hosts (Microsoft, dropbox, google) throttle your download rate from their servers.
Rather than hijack this thread.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Do you need 150MB as a solo user? How can you take advantage of it if the content hosts (Microsoft, dropbox, google) throttle your download rate from their servers.
It depends what you are doing. I sure want 150Mb/s (not 150 MB, that's disk connection speeds.)
Think about this... I get 100Mb/s - 1,000Mb/s from my own servers online. Plus I get a decent amount from Netflix and similar. We use services like Google, Amazon, OneDrive and more. Want to use all of those in any quantity and suddenly 150Mb/s doesn't seem like all that much.
Now, I'm not a single user, I am a family of four. But this stuff adds up FAST. Considering that your personal storage can be all online and we need GigE at home, why wouldn't we need GigE on the WAN?
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@Breffni-Potter said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
Do you need 150MB as a solo user? How can you take advantage of it if the content hosts (Microsoft, dropbox, google) throttle your download rate from their servers.
Rather than hijack this thread.
You made a thread over there? I feel dirty now..
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An example... our own ownCloud instance can get 100Mb/s or more. If I don't have at least that at home then my ownCloud is getting throttled on my end instead of on the hosting end.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I sure want 150Mb/s (not 150 MB, that's disk connection speeds.)
Oh shhh
@scottalanmiller said:
Now, I'm not a single user, I am a family of four. But this stuff adds up FAST. Considering that your personal storage can be all online and we need GigE at home, why wouldn't we need GigE on the WAN?
But let's assume that you get 70 or 80 from your local LAN devices.
What are the speeds you will get from those hosted providers? If the content creators (netflix/amazon/google) limit your bandwidth, what do you really get in reality? Are we closer to 10-20 per second?
As for own servers with a good amount of bandwidth, what data rate do you need?
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@scottalanmiller said:
An example... our own ownCloud instance can get 100Mb/s or more. If I don't have at least that at home then my ownCloud is getting throttled on my end instead of on the hosting end.
But how much of that bandwidth do you notice you use? If I bounced you down to 50, how long before you notice? Do you work with GB files often or is it mostly documents?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
As for own servers with a good amount of bandwidth, what data rate do you need?
At least 1Gb/s to not make things slower than necessary.
Need? Not much. "Can use", a lot.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
What are the speeds you will get from those hosted providers? If the content creators (netflix/amazon/google) limit your bandwidth, what do you really get in reality? Are we closer to 10-20 per second?
Quite a lot, really. Considering we might use four different services all serving HD (1080p or even 4K) at once (Hulu, Amazon, Netflix and YouTube/Google) just for entertainment alone, it adds up really quickly. If each can deliver 30Mb/s, that means 120Mb/s is needed just to keep things working.
Then add in Steam downloads, GOG, Origin and similar. Even just consumer "needs" get really big, really quickly.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@scottalanmiller said:
An example... our own ownCloud instance can get 100Mb/s or more. If I don't have at least that at home then my ownCloud is getting throttled on my end instead of on the hosting end.
But how much of that bandwidth do you notice you use? If I bounced you down to 50, how long before you notice? Do you work with GB files often or is it mostly documents?
We can never get that much because of our lifestyle. So we notice both upload and download limits every moment of every day. We totally alter our online lifestyle due to the lack of being able to get enough bandwidth.
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@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Breffni-Potter said:
What are the speeds you will get from those hosted providers? If the content creators (netflix/amazon/google) limit your bandwidth, what do you really get in reality? Are we closer to 10-20 per second?
Quite a lot, really. Considering we might use four different services all serving HD (1080p or even 4K) at once (Hulu, Amazon, Netflix and YouTube/Google) just for entertainment alone, it adds up really quickly. If each can deliver 30Mb/s, that means 120Mb/s is needed just to keep things working.
Then add in Steam downloads, GOG, Origin and similar. Even just consumer "needs" get really big, really quickly.
Consumer wise I agree - we can easily need 150 Mb or more connections. But in a business? that's not doing online backups? or remote syncing. Though I suppose those are becoming more and more ubiquitous, so some will say it's crazy to even talk about situations that don't have those things.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Even just consumer "needs" get really big, really quickly.
Netflix uses 5 per second for 1080P though, if all 4 family members are watching 4K content at the same time that's a bit excessive. Steam, again they tend to content throttle you, most I've seen is 1 or 2 per second. Are the needs that great?
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@Breffni-Potter said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said:
Even just consumer "needs" get really big, really quickly.
Netflix uses 5 per second for 1080P though, if all 4 family members are watching 4K content at the same time that's a bit excessive. Steam, again they tend to content throttle you, most I've seen is 1 or 2 per second. Are the needs that great?
You've only seen 1 or 2 per second? I can download from Steam to saturate my 50Mb/s connection.
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@coliver said:
You've only seen 1 or 2 per second? I can download from Steam to saturate my 50Mb/s connection.
I'm on a 40 down connection and only get 1 or 2, time of day does not affect it. Maybe that's just in the UK though.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@coliver said:
You've only seen 1 or 2 per second? I can download from Steam to saturate my 50Mb/s connection.
I'm on a 40 down connection and only get 1 or 2, time of day does not affect it. Maybe that's just in the UK though.
Yes, I have to self limit Steam to not interrupt other things in my house. I am in a very rural part of NY too.
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@Breffni-Potter
Netflix uses 5 per second for 1080P though, if all 4 family members are watching 4K content at the same time that's a bit excessive.
Why is that excessive? We pay for the service, why would it be excessive to use it?
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@Breffni-Potter Steam, again they tend to content throttle you, most I've seen is 1 or 2 per second. Are the needs that great?
it took me over 30 days of continuously managing 20Mb/s connections to be able to download our Steam library partially while in the US last time. Steam will use more than I can get access to in Texas. And I need it as single game downloads can take a couple of days. Getting our library downloaded takes a super long time.
I have no idea how fast Steam will go, as fast as I can give it access to is all that I know. 20Mb/s at least for one download at a time.
