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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said:

      @Dashrender said:

      @scottalanmiller said:

      @nadnerB said:

      People cry (and cry and cry and cry) about the Apps, yes it's an issue but I use my phone primarily as a phone and utilise very few apps. So this isn't something that I really care about.

      Same here, I have very few apps. But the few that I have Windows Phone did not have. But while searching for them to see if they were there, dozens of malware pretenders for each one was certainly available. My concern is less with the absence of what is needed but the inability to discern when it is real or not.

      This is definitely a huge problem. I don't use iPhone so I don't know if they suffer this problem, but the Google Play store does suffer it to a lesser degree.

      I don't see it in any form on the iPhone. Not at all. Apple is very careful to not allow any fake apps into the app store.

      So a highly curated store offers protection but at the same time stifles creativity because you must fit into the box Apple forces you into. It has good and bad points - I'm not sure which is ultimately better.

      Though it wouldn't be hard to only kill apps that are clearly trying to be fakes - it would be hard to not kill those who are trying to create a better mouse trap but not be fake about it.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said:

        So a highly curated store offers protection but at the same time stifles creativity because you must fit into the box Apple forces you into. It has good and bad points - I'm not sure which is ultimately better.

        Correct. However it doesn't curtail creativity to the same degree that the Windows Phone platform does. So in comparison, it is a full on win. Compared to Android, though, it is a draw, I think. I would never be okay with that approach for my desktop, but for my phone I prefer the iOS App Store curated approach. But for my television attached device, I want the Android approach.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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          @Dashrender said:

          Though it wouldn't be hard to only kill apps that are clearly trying to be fakes - it would be hard to not kill those who are trying to create a better mouse trap but not be fake about it.

          Yes and, in theory, that is what Apple tries to do most of the time. Microsoft seemed dead set on promoting the malware exclusively. I found the Windows app store to be so bad that I would classify it itself as malware!

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said:

            @Dashrender said:

            Though it wouldn't be hard to only kill apps that are clearly trying to be fakes - it would be hard to not kill those who are trying to create a better mouse trap but not be fake about it.

            Yes and, in theory, that is what Apple tries to do most of the time. Microsoft seemed dead set on promoting the malware exclusively. I found the Windows app store to be so bad that I would classify it itself as malware!

            Sadly, right now, I have a hard time disagreeing.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              @Dashrender said:

              So a highly curated store offers protection but at the same time stifles creativity because you must fit into the box Apple forces you into. It has good and bad points - I'm not sure which is ultimately better.

              Correct. However it doesn't curtail creativity to the same degree that the Windows Phone platform does. So in comparison, it is a full on win. Compared to Android, though, it is a draw, I think. I would never be okay with that approach for my desktop, but for my phone I prefer the iOS App Store curated approach. But for my television attached device, I want the Android approach.

              So what approach do you want to see on PC's since you don't want the Apple approach?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                Windows Phone is the app store your mama warned you about.

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                • nadnerBN
                  nadnerB @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender said:

                  So what approach do you want to see on PC's since you don't want the Apple approach?

                  Chocolatey for WP8.1!

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                    @Dashrender said:

                    So what approach do you want to see on PC's since you don't want the Apple approach?

                    The one that exists on Linux. I want a curated app store that I can trust and is supported. Plus the ability to install anything I want, period. I don't want any lock in that I have to use the existing stores. But I like that the store exists.

                    The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.

                      This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                        @Dashrender said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.

                        This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.

                        I consider anything that even suggests rooting a device to be utter failure of the most extreme degree. I'm talking about official capabilities, I never mean working around the functionality of the system. Never.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender said:

                          This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores

                          If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....

                          If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.

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                          • coliverC
                            coliver @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @Dashrender said:

                            This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores

                            If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....

                            If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.

                            That's odd. Every Android device that I have owned allowed you to sideload apps and app stores without rooting the device. I've owned devices from Samsung, Motorola, and LG.

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                            • stacksofplatesS
                              stacksofplates @coliver
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                              @coliver said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @Dashrender said:

                              This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores

                              If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....

                              If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.

                              That's odd. Every Android device that I have owned allowed you to sideload apps and app stores without rooting the device. I've owned devices from Samsung, Motorola, and LG.

                              Ya it's just a checkbox to allow it.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller
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                                I've struggled to even have Android devices that can make calls, texts and get emails so....

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                                • coliverC
                                  coliver @stacksofplates
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                                  @johnhooks said:

                                  @coliver said:

                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores

                                  If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....

                                  If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.

                                  That's odd. Every Android device that I have owned allowed you to sideload apps and app stores without rooting the device. I've owned devices from Samsung, Motorola, and LG.

                                  Ya it's just a checkbox to allow it.

                                  Right, in the past the checkbox, once checked, was always on. But the modern Android OS allows you to do it per install, which is so much nicer.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender
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                                    I say this mostly in jest, but not entirely - Scott seems to have trouble with most things that are not mainly Linux in nature 😛

                                    Granted Android is Linux, he's not rolling his own, so that doesn't count either 😉

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                                    • coliverC
                                      coliver @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      I've struggled to even have Android devices that can make calls, texts and get emails so....

                                      That's strange. Never had an issue with that on mid-range to top-range devices. My recent Moto E, which is a budget/low-end phone, sometimes has issues calling.

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                                      • Minion QueenM
                                        Minion Queen
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                                        Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Minion Queen
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                                          @Minion-Queen said:

                                          Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.

                                          Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.

                                          I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.

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                                          • coliverC
                                            coliver @Minion Queen
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                                            @Minion-Queen said:

                                            Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.

                                            Ah, that makes sense. My first smart phone was a Droid X. It had issues with email syncing and random restarts until I put an ASOP rom on it. So I can see where you may get the impression.

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