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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      That is my understanding as well and that copies Server CALs, which it should. You either license a user or license a device, I know of no "concurrent user" CAL system from Microsoft on any product.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said:

        That is my understanding as well and that copies Server CALs, which it should. You either license a user or license a device, I know of no "concurrent user" CAL system from Microsoft on any product.

        Nor do I.

        When I dealt with Citrix a decade or more ago, It was always weird to me that they were concurrent based while the TS license was always per user/per device. I guess Citrix knew they were already so overpriced that ... well never mind that's just dumb too. It was just one more thing that had to be managed differently than the rest.

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        • NetworkNerdN
          NetworkNerd
          last edited by NetworkNerd

          You have it right. We use RDS 2012 and have user CALs. I can have multiple RDS sessions (assuming that is administratively allowed in your RDS configuration) and still only use 1 CAL. You can still manage all of the sessions using RSAT's Server Manager.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender
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            A major point I'm trying to ensure is that I need a separate license for each user who logs in.

            Others have said that they were told by MS licensing people that that if you have 100 users, but only 10 will ever be on at once, that you only need to purchase 10 RDS licenses - their reasoning.. the license is assigned to a unique person while in use, but after logout, the license is released.

            As Scott said, I don't know of any MS products that work that way.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said:

              Others have said that they were told by MS licensing people that that if you have 100 users, but only 10 will ever be on at once, that you only need to purchase 10 RDS licenses - their reasoning.. the license is assigned to a unique person while in use, but after logout, the license is released.

              This is how I understood it, not that you need to cover all 100 people all the time, just the number of people who are using the system at current time.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                @DustinB3403 said:

                @Dashrender said:

                Others have said that they were told by MS licensing people that that if you have 100 users, but only 10 will ever be on at once, that you only need to purchase 10 RDS licenses - their reasoning.. the license is assigned to a unique person while in use, but after logout, the license is released.

                This is how I understood it, not that you need to cover all 100 people all the time, just the number of people who are using the system at current time.

                And after seeing the above posts, do you still feel that is correct?

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
                  last edited by DustinB3403

                  I do still feel it to be correct, but I could very well be wrong.

                  Having to license a possible 100 people, when only 10 people might use it concurrently seems insane.

                  As I've always understood it, you license what would be used concurrently, not the total base of users.

                  If you have 100 users using it at the same time, then you need 100 licenses.

                  If you have 100 users, but 20 may use it at once, you'd only buy 20 maybe 25 licenses to cover the few times that you might exceed your licensing.

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                  • brianlittlejohnB
                    brianlittlejohn @DustinB3403
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                    @DustinB3403 said:

                    I do still feel it to be correct, but I could very well be wrong.

                    Having to license a possible 100 people, when only 10 people might use it concurrently seems insane.

                    As I've always understood it, you license what would be used concurrently, not the total base of users.

                    If you have 100 users using it at the same time, then you need 100 licenses.

                    If you have 100 users, but 20 may use it at once, you'd only buy 20 maybe 25 licenses to cover the few times that you might exceed your licensing.

                    Insane.... That is the definition of Microsoft Licensing.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      So does every CAL have the users name written on it?

                      What happens if that user dies, do you need to buy another CAL to get back to the 100 licenses?

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                      • brianlittlejohnB
                        brianlittlejohn @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        So does every CAL have the users name written on it?

                        What happens if that user dies, do you need to buy another CAL to get back to the 100 licenses?

                        No, you have to have the number of CALs for each user that has the ability to connect. You can transfer CALs as people leave or job roles change, you just have to remove their access the the RDS server.

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403 @brianlittlejohn
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                          @brianlittlejohn Sorry that question was rhetorical.

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                          • brianlittlejohnB
                            brianlittlejohn @DustinB3403
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                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            @brianlittlejohn Sorry that question was rhetorical.

                            haha... rhetorical doesn't come across well in a forum

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403
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                              So even if you have at most 20 people that would use the system at any given time, but 100 employees who need it throughout the day, you need to purchase 100 CAL's.

                              That's insane, it makes no sense at all...

                              I get buy extra to cover any overlap, but to have to buy 5 times the amount...

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                              • brianlittlejohnB
                                brianlittlejohn
                                last edited by

                                Yep... that sucks.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                  last edited by

                                  @DustinB3403 said:

                                  That's insane, it makes no sense at all...

                                  Why? No different than nearly anything else that you license. That's how email works, Windows Server CALs, Office 2013... just about anything.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                    last edited by

                                    @DustinB3403 said:

                                    So even if you have at most 20 people that would use the system at any given time, but 100 employees who need it throughout the day, you need to purchase 100 CAL's.

                                    If at most 20 people need to use it, then why not use device licensing instead of user licensing?

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                                    • coliverC
                                      coliver @DustinB3403
                                      last edited by coliver

                                      @DustinB3403 said:

                                      So even if you have at most 20 people that would use the system at any given time, but 100 employees who need it throughout the day, you need to purchase 100 CAL's.

                                      That's insane, it makes no sense at all...

                                      I get buy extra to cover any overlap, but to have to buy 5 times the amount...

                                      Yep, if you are going the user licensing route you would need 100 licenses. If they all use the same devices just license the devices.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        @DustinB3403 said:

                                        That's insane, it makes no sense at all...

                                        Why? No different than nearly anything else that you license. That's how email works, Windows Server CALs, Office 2013... just about anything.

                                        Office actually doesn't work this way. Not FPP or VL (O365 does). Office is licensed per device, except in the case of RDS, then it's either device or user, like the RDS licenses. At least that's my understanding.

                                        If I have 50 users, but 75 computers and I want Office on all PCs, I need 75 licenses of FPP or VL.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          If I have 50 users, but 75 computers and I want Office on all PCs, I need 75 licenses of FPP or VL.

                                          Yes, Office I guess comes in all kinds of license models. With O365 it is by user with at least five devices for each user.

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