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    • coliverC
      coliver @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said:

      @coliver said:

      Although I doubt anyone wants the FBI circumventing the courts to get access to these phones, or to do so in a manner that is secret or hidden.

      People who are armed, put the citizenry at risk, spread fear and seek to subjugate the legal and government system... sounds like a terrorist coup plot anywhere else. In the US, we call it the FBI.

      We also call drug dealers the CIA... so I guess crime and 3 letter agencies go hand-in-hand.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        I should point out that I don't feel that the FBI is in any way involved in a conspiracy, only that they are generally non-ethical, not law abiding and have no interest in protecting Americans and the results are generally poor because of it. There isn't any organized effort to do something big and awful, just lots of people looking to gain power and don't care why they hurt or put at risk to do so. Nothing like a conspiracy. Not like they are aiding a foreign power intentionally, they just don't care if bad people take advantage of the things that they do.

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        • Minion QueenM
          Minion Queen
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          I would agree with Scott on this one. They are worried about the here and now. Not the consequences that will happen because they forced things to be available now for the one thing they need. Best of intentions and all that

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          • art_of_shredA
            art_of_shred @Minion Queen
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            @Minion-Queen said:

            I would agree with Scott on this one. They are worried about the here and now. Not the consequences that will happen because they forced things to be available now for the one thing they need. Best of intentions and all that

            AKA: American foreign policy in the 20th century...

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Minion Queen
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              @Minion-Queen said:

              Best of intentions and all that

              I don't think that the intentions are good. It's a power grab, they are trying to take advantage of an unfortunate incident for their own purposes, it's shameful and disrespectful. If they had good intentions they would have, at the very least, attempted this in a public, legal way.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @art_of_shred
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                @art_of_shred said:

                @Minion-Queen said:

                I would agree with Scott on this one. They are worried about the here and now. Not the consequences that will happen because they forced things to be available now for the one thing they need. Best of intentions and all that

                AKA: American foreign policy in the 20th century...

                The legacy of Roosevelt.

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                • art_of_shredA
                  art_of_shred @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @Minion-Queen said:

                  Best of intentions and all that

                  I don't think that the intentions are good. It's a power grab, they are trying to take advantage of an unfortunate incident for their own purposes, it's shameful and disrespectful. If they had good intentions they would have, at the very least, attempted this in a public, legal way.

                  good point

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/02/18/1486915/-Everyday-Magic-Why-Apple-s-Fighting-The-Law-And-We-Hope-They-Win

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      I should point out that I don't feel that the FBI is in any way involved in a conspiracy, only that they are generally non-ethical, not law abiding and have no interest in protecting Americans and the results are generally poor because of it. There isn't any organized effort to do something big and awful, just lots of people looking to gain power and don't care why they hurt or put at risk to do so. Nothing like a conspiracy. Not like they are aiding a foreign power intentionally, they just don't care if bad people take advantage of the things that they do.

                      I have a hard time putting the FBI into that category. Now the NSA - that's a whole other story. I say the NSA is doing exactly what you've proposed above.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                        @Dashrender said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        I should point out that I don't feel that the FBI is in any way involved in a conspiracy, only that they are generally non-ethical, not law abiding and have no interest in protecting Americans and the results are generally poor because of it. There isn't any organized effort to do something big and awful, just lots of people looking to gain power and don't care why they hurt or put at risk to do so. Nothing like a conspiracy. Not like they are aiding a foreign power intentionally, they just don't care if bad people take advantage of the things that they do.

                        I have a hard time putting the FBI into that category. Now the NSA - that's a whole other story. I say the NSA is doing exactly what you've proposed above.

                        The difference would be, I think, that the FBI does good things, too. The NSA, does none. The FBI is a good idea gone bad. The NSA is an openly bad idea from the onset.

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                        • art_of_shredA
                          art_of_shred
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                          I wonder what the ratio is for crimes solved to crimes perpetrated by the FBI.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @art_of_shred
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                            @art_of_shred said:

                            I wonder what the ratio is for crimes solved to crimes perpetrated by the FBI.

                            Oh man - that would be an awesome stat!

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
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                              Except it would likely be the FBI allowed to produce the stat 😞

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                              • art_of_shredA
                                art_of_shred @Dashrender
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                                @Dashrender Or a scary one...

                                I also wonder if the NSA shares info with the FBI, and if I will be getting a knock at my door in the next 30 minutes. 😛

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                                • tonyshowoffT
                                  tonyshowoff @art_of_shred
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                                  @art_of_shred Well I imagine they've solved more, but a better question is prevented vs solved after the fact. I'm betting prevented is very low. I have all of the episodes of the show FBI Files and can only think of two which involved preventing a crime, keep in mind both were by domestic terrorists or by criminal groups which had already committed many crimes.

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                                  • dafyreD
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                                    *hears knocking at @art_of_shred 's door.

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                                    • art_of_shredA
                                      art_of_shred @dafyre
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                                      @dafyre are you with the FBI?

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @tonyshowoff
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                                        @tonyshowoff said:

                                        @art_of_shred Well I imagine they've solved more, but a better question is prevented vs solved after the fact. I'm betting prevented is very low. I have all of the episodes of the show FBI Files and can only think of two which involved preventing a crime, keep in mind both were by domestic terrorists or by criminal groups which had already committed many crimes.

                                        Which would have been stopped simply by having solved the original crimes!

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @art_of_shred
                                          last edited by scottalanmiller

                                          @art_of_shred said:

                                          @Dashrender Or a scary one...

                                          I also wonder if the NSA shares info with the FBI, and if I will be getting a knock at my door in the next 30 minutes. 😛

                                          The flow goes like this...

                                          NSA shared to the FBI shares to Chinese hackers

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                                          • coliverC
                                            coliver @tonyshowoff
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                                            @tonyshowoff said:

                                            @art_of_shred Well I imagine they've solved more, but a better question is prevented vs solved after the fact. I'm betting prevented is very low. I have all of the episodes of the show FBI Files and can only think of two which involved preventing a crime, keep in mind both were by domestic terrorists or by criminal groups which had already committed many crimes.

                                            No one (except citizens) wins by crime prevention. It is the same philosophy as to why we don't invest in maintaining infrastructure. You make more money by solving crime then stopping it before it happens.

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