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    • wirestyle22W
      wirestyle22 @dafyre
      last edited by

      @dafyre said:

      @wirestyle22 said:

      @scottalanmiller said:

      NTG was doing a pretty elaborate SDWan by 2001 with dedicated hardware at every site and home.

      These days, if you want this, often the best choices are things like ZeroTier and Pertino.

      Do you need any hardware for ZeroTier? It's entirely done through software? I might use this for my single PC group homes. My company won't buy any new hardware for them unless things break.

      ZeroTier is totally done in software. It does require a computing device (PC or Mac). It won't work on Switches and Printers.

      Even if you're printing using something like Tricerat Screwdrivers?

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      • dafyreD
        dafyre @wirestyle22
        last edited by

        @wirestyle22 said:

        Is it possible to use this in conjunction with a File Server to provide an alternative means of accessing and also provide domain authentication or am I way off base here?

        That is pretty much what ZeroTier is for. The easiest way to use it though, is an all-or-nothing approach. Every computer runs it (AD Domain Controller, DNS servers, Workstations, Laptops). Otherwise, you get fun issues with DNS returning wrong IP addresses.

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        • wirestyle22W
          wirestyle22 @dafyre
          last edited by

          @dafyre said:

          @wirestyle22 said:

          Is it possible to use this in conjunction with a File Server to provide an alternative means of accessing and also provide domain authentication or am I way off base here?

          That is pretty much what ZeroTier is for. The easiest way to use it though, is an all-or-nothing approach. Every computer runs it (AD Domain Controller, DNS servers, Workstations, Laptops). Otherwise, you get fun issues with DNS returning wrong IP addresses.

          You mean even domain connected workstations? Is this just for mapping purposes?

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          • dafyreD
            dafyre @wirestyle22
            last edited by

            @wirestyle22 said:

            @dafyre said:

            @wirestyle22 said:

            @scottalanmiller said:

            NTG was doing a pretty elaborate SDWan by 2001 with dedicated hardware at every site and home.

            These days, if you want this, often the best choices are things like ZeroTier and Pertino.

            Do you need any hardware for ZeroTier? It's entirely done through software? I might use this for my single PC group homes. My company won't buy any new hardware for them unless things break.

            ZeroTier is totally done in software. It does require a computing device (PC or Mac). It won't work on Switches and Printers.

            Even if you're printing using something like Tricerat Screwdrivers?

            I actually don't know what Tricerat Screwdrivers are. But chances are, your printer will actually not be on the ZeroTier network, so you still won't be able to print unless you are on the same network as the printer. [This is true of all printers]

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            • dafyreD
              dafyre @wirestyle22
              last edited by

              @wirestyle22 said:

              @dafyre said:

              @wirestyle22 said:

              Is it possible to use this in conjunction with a File Server to provide an alternative means of accessing and also provide domain authentication or am I way off base here?

              That is pretty much what ZeroTier is for. The easiest way to use it though, is an all-or-nothing approach. Every computer runs it (AD Domain Controller, DNS servers, Workstations, Laptops). Otherwise, you get fun issues with DNS returning wrong IP addresses.

              You mean even domain connected workstations? Is this just for mapping purposes?

              Pretty much, yes. There are other ways you can do it and not have to install ZT on everybody's computer... but it can muddy the waters a bit.

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              • wirestyle22W
                wirestyle22 @dafyre
                last edited by wirestyle22

                @dafyre said:

                @wirestyle22 said:

                @dafyre said:

                @wirestyle22 said:

                Is it possible to use this in conjunction with a File Server to provide an alternative means of accessing and also provide domain authentication or am I way off base here?

                That is pretty much what ZeroTier is for. The easiest way to use it though, is an all-or-nothing approach. Every computer runs it (AD Domain Controller, DNS servers, Workstations, Laptops). Otherwise, you get fun issues with DNS returning wrong IP addresses.

                You mean even domain connected workstations? Is this just for mapping purposes?

                Pretty much, yes. There are other ways you can do it and not have to install ZT on everybody's computer... but it can muddy the waters a bit.

                If ZeroTier is linux compatible I wonder if you could turn a Raspberry Pi into an external NIC kind of like external hp jet direct cards. What do you think @scottalanmiller

                Update: Oh my god they even have it for Rasbian.

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                • dafyreD
                  dafyre @wirestyle22
                  last edited by

                  @wirestyle22 said:

                  @dafyre said:

                  @wirestyle22 said:

                  @dafyre said:

                  @wirestyle22 said:

                  Is it possible to use this in conjunction with a File Server to provide an alternative means of accessing and also provide domain authentication or am I way off base here?

                  That is pretty much what ZeroTier is for. The easiest way to use it though, is an all-or-nothing approach. Every computer runs it (AD Domain Controller, DNS servers, Workstations, Laptops). Otherwise, you get fun issues with DNS returning wrong IP addresses.

                  You mean even domain connected workstations? Is this just for mapping purposes?

                  Pretty much, yes. There are other ways you can do it and not have to install ZT on everybody's computer... but it can muddy the waters a bit.

                  If ZeroTier is linux compatible I wonder if you could turn a Raspberry Pi into an external NIC kind of like external hp jet direct cards.

                  Update: Oh my god they even have it for Rasbian.

                  They do? Nice!

                  I know they have binaries for Windows, Linux, Mac, and Android. You can build it yourself on other platforms (*BSD, and a few others).

                  Building from source isn't too bad on Linux.

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                  • wirestyle22W
                    wirestyle22 @dafyre
                    last edited by

                    @dafyre said:

                    @wirestyle22 said:

                    @dafyre said:

                    @wirestyle22 said:

                    @dafyre said:

                    @wirestyle22 said:

                    Is it possible to use this in conjunction with a File Server to provide an alternative means of accessing and also provide domain authentication or am I way off base here?

                    That is pretty much what ZeroTier is for. The easiest way to use it though, is an all-or-nothing approach. Every computer runs it (AD Domain Controller, DNS servers, Workstations, Laptops). Otherwise, you get fun issues with DNS returning wrong IP addresses.

                    You mean even domain connected workstations? Is this just for mapping purposes?

                    Pretty much, yes. There are other ways you can do it and not have to install ZT on everybody's computer... but it can muddy the waters a bit.

                    If ZeroTier is linux compatible I wonder if you could turn a Raspberry Pi into an external NIC kind of like external hp jet direct cards.

                    Update: Oh my god they even have it for Rasbian.

                    They do? Nice!

                    I know they have binaries for Windows, Linux, Mac, and Android. You can build it yourself on other platforms (*BSD, and a few others).

                    Building from source isn't too bad on Linux.

                    Whenever I have a free minute I'm going to make this into a project. I just wish the Raspi were POE compatible.

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                    • dafyreD
                      dafyre
                      last edited by

                      I totally need to get a RPi.

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                      • wirestyle22W
                        wirestyle22 @dafyre
                        last edited by wirestyle22

                        @dafyre said:

                        I totally need to get a RPi.

                        I use them for scrolling marketing displays, honeypots, security cameras etc. They're great.

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                        • wirestyle22W
                          wirestyle22
                          last edited by wirestyle22

                          http://www.raspberry-pi-geek.com/Archive/2013/01/Converting-the-Raspberry-Pi-to-a-wireless-print-server FYI--doesnt have to be wireless obv

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @wirestyle22
                            last edited by

                            @wirestyle22 said:

                            @dafyre said:

                            @wirestyle22 said:

                            @dafyre said:

                            @wirestyle22 said:

                            @dafyre said:

                            @wirestyle22 said:

                            Is it possible to use this in conjunction with a File Server to provide an alternative means of accessing and also provide domain authentication or am I way off base here?

                            That is pretty much what ZeroTier is for. The easiest way to use it though, is an all-or-nothing approach. Every computer runs it (AD Domain Controller, DNS servers, Workstations, Laptops). Otherwise, you get fun issues with DNS returning wrong IP addresses.

                            You mean even domain connected workstations? Is this just for mapping purposes?

                            Pretty much, yes. There are other ways you can do it and not have to install ZT on everybody's computer... but it can muddy the waters a bit.

                            If ZeroTier is linux compatible I wonder if you could turn a Raspberry Pi into an external NIC kind of like external hp jet direct cards.

                            Update: Oh my god they even have it for Rasbian.

                            They do? Nice!

                            I know they have binaries for Windows, Linux, Mac, and Android. You can build it yourself on other platforms (*BSD, and a few others).

                            Building from source isn't too bad on Linux.

                            Whenever I have a free minute I'm going to make this into a project. I just wish the Raspi were POE compatible.

                            Like @wirestyle22 linked you, all you need to make a Raspi PoE is a converter on the Pi's end.

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                            • wirestyle22W
                              wirestyle22 @travisdh1
                              last edited by

                              @travisdh1 said:

                              @wirestyle22 said:

                              @dafyre said:

                              @wirestyle22 said:

                              @dafyre said:

                              @wirestyle22 said:

                              @dafyre said:

                              @wirestyle22 said:

                              Is it possible to use this in conjunction with a File Server to provide an alternative means of accessing and also provide domain authentication or am I way off base here?

                              That is pretty much what ZeroTier is for. The easiest way to use it though, is an all-or-nothing approach. Every computer runs it (AD Domain Controller, DNS servers, Workstations, Laptops). Otherwise, you get fun issues with DNS returning wrong IP addresses.

                              You mean even domain connected workstations? Is this just for mapping purposes?

                              Pretty much, yes. There are other ways you can do it and not have to install ZT on everybody's computer... but it can muddy the waters a bit.

                              If ZeroTier is linux compatible I wonder if you could turn a Raspberry Pi into an external NIC kind of like external hp jet direct cards.

                              Update: Oh my god they even have it for Rasbian.

                              They do? Nice!

                              I know they have binaries for Windows, Linux, Mac, and Android. You can build it yourself on other platforms (*BSD, and a few others).

                              Building from source isn't too bad on Linux.

                              Whenever I have a free minute I'm going to make this into a project. I just wish the Raspi were POE compatible.

                              Like @wirestyle22 linked you, all you need to make a Raspi PoE is a converter on the Pi's end.

                              I've seen them but have no experience with them. Have you done this yourself?

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                              • travisdh1T
                                travisdh1 @wirestyle22
                                last edited by

                                @wirestyle22 said:

                                @travisdh1 said:

                                @wirestyle22 said:

                                @dafyre said:

                                @wirestyle22 said:

                                @dafyre said:

                                @wirestyle22 said:

                                @dafyre said:

                                @wirestyle22 said:

                                Is it possible to use this in conjunction with a File Server to provide an alternative means of accessing and also provide domain authentication or am I way off base here?

                                That is pretty much what ZeroTier is for. The easiest way to use it though, is an all-or-nothing approach. Every computer runs it (AD Domain Controller, DNS servers, Workstations, Laptops). Otherwise, you get fun issues with DNS returning wrong IP addresses.

                                You mean even domain connected workstations? Is this just for mapping purposes?

                                Pretty much, yes. There are other ways you can do it and not have to install ZT on everybody's computer... but it can muddy the waters a bit.

                                If ZeroTier is linux compatible I wonder if you could turn a Raspberry Pi into an external NIC kind of like external hp jet direct cards.

                                Update: Oh my god they even have it for Rasbian.

                                They do? Nice!

                                I know they have binaries for Windows, Linux, Mac, and Android. You can build it yourself on other platforms (*BSD, and a few others).

                                Building from source isn't too bad on Linux.

                                Whenever I have a free minute I'm going to make this into a project. I just wish the Raspi were POE compatible.

                                Like @wirestyle22 linked you, all you need to make a Raspi PoE is a converter on the Pi's end.

                                I've seen them but have no experience with them. Have you done this yourself?

                                Not yet, just been very tempted.

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                                • wirestyle22W
                                  wirestyle22
                                  last edited by

                                  @wirestyle22 said:

                                  How does ZeroTier handle updates? Are they just individual client based or can you use something similar to WSUS to update it?

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                                  • dafyreD
                                    dafyre
                                    last edited by

                                    They're just individual client based. You can deploy the software and all via your favorite method, but you still have to join the devices to your ZT network, and that requires some manual labor on the controller. ZT Won't let a device on your network unless you authorize it in the controller (generally their web site).

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                                    • wirestyle22W
                                      wirestyle22 @dafyre
                                      last edited by

                                      @dafyre said:

                                      They're just individual client based. You can deploy the software and all via your favorite method, but you still have to join the devices to your ZT network, and that requires some manual labor on the controller. ZT Won't let a device on your network unless you authorize it in the controller (generally their web site).

                                      I like that.

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                                      • dafyreD
                                        dafyre
                                        last edited by

                                        Yeah. It's really slick the way they do it, and it does work relatively well. I was out for 2 weeks when I got my cochlear implant a few months ago. I spent one of those weeks working from home using ZeroTier to connect to my office machine.

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                                        • wirestyle22W
                                          wirestyle22 @dafyre
                                          last edited by

                                          @dafyre said:

                                          Yeah. It's really slick the way they do it, and it does work relatively well. I was out for 2 weeks when I got my cochlear implant a few months ago. I spent one of those weeks working from home using ZeroTier to connect to my office machine.

                                          We currently have everyone connecting through an RDP client to a Terminal Server. I inherited this network and they do not embrace any kind of change here 😞

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                                          • dafyreD
                                            dafyre @wirestyle22
                                            last edited by

                                            @wirestyle22 said:

                                            @dafyre said:

                                            Yeah. It's really slick the way they do it, and it does work relatively well. I was out for 2 weeks when I got my cochlear implant a few months ago. I spent one of those weeks working from home using ZeroTier to connect to my office machine.

                                            We currently have everyone connecting through an RDP client to a Terminal Server. I inherited this network and they do not embrace any kind of change here 😞

                                            I definintely know how that is!

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