If LAN is legacy, what is the UN-legacy...?
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@dafyre said:
Actually @scottalanmiller -- My question would be why would you NOT want AD -- or any other centralized authentication platform -- especially if your organization is large enough to need active directory?
Cost. Complexity. AD ties you to a costly infrastructure. It means that you are paying for servers, CALs and more per user. It means you have to manage internal DNS. I means that you have to either design your entire business around very limited use cases and/or you have to do things like Pertino or ZeroTier or built a hub and spoke VPN model or similar to make people able to connect.
It's starts off easy enough, we want password management. Makes sense. But it comes with a lot of caveats: cost, complexity, performance impacts, overhead, connectivity issues. AD made tons of sense in its time, and it still makes an awful lot of sense a lot of the time. But I think that many businesses overlook just how many other decisions are made, or assumptions are made, based around AD. Remove AD, and suddenly you have a lot of freedom to consider different things. AD might be impacting you more than you think.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
Actually @scottalanmiller -- My question would be why would you NOT want AD -- or any other centralized authentication platform -- especially if your organization is large enough to need active directory?
Cost. Complexity. AD ties you to a costly infrastructure. It means that you are paying for servers, CALs and more per user. It means you have to manage internal DNS. I means that you have to either design your entire business around very limited use cases and/or you have to do things like Pertino or ZeroTier or built a hub and spoke VPN model or similar to make people able to connect.
It's starts off easy enough, we want password management. Makes sense. But it comes with a lot of caveats: cost, complexity, performance impacts, overhead, connectivity issues. AD made tons of sense in its time, and it still makes an awful lot of sense a lot of the time. But I think that many businesses overlook just how many other decisions are made, or assumptions are made, based around AD. Remove AD, and suddenly you have a lot of freedom to consider different things. AD might be impacting you more than you think.
I should have clarified in my last comment that I was speaking to using Azure AD, instead of a local instance.
IE: If AD ads all that complexity, why is NTG Using it?
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@dafyre said:
IE: If AD ads all that complexity, why is NTG Using it?
We aren't, we dropped it. Couple of months ago.
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@dafyre said:
I should have clarified in my last comment that I was speaking to using Azure AD, instead of a local instance.
Limited to Windows 10. That's pretty big.
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So now @NTG is pretty much using SSH keys for authentication into the lab environments, etc?
No other centralized authentication system at all now?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
IE: If AD ads all that complexity, why is NTG Using it?
We aren't, we dropped it. Couple of months ago.
But you are using AAD, right?
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@dafyre said:
So now @NTG is pretty much using SSH keys for authentication into the lab environments, etc?
No other centralized authentication system at all now?
Azure AD to the pure Windows 10 back office people. Other than them, no central password account management. Like many companies, once we played around with not using it, we found that we weren't getting much out of it.
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@Dashrender said:
But you are using AAD, right?
For the Windows 10 office people like @ataylor14 and @jenuinecase yes.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
But you are using AAD, right?
For the Windows 10 office people like @ataylor14 and @jenuinecase yes.
So I refer you to my previous question... If Azure AD (AAD?) adds that much complexity -- why keep it around?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
But you are using AAD, right?
For the Windows 10 office people like @ataylor14 and @jenuinecase yes.
Now the question is - is the SSO worth it even for those who choose to still be on Windows?
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@dafyre said:
So I refer you to my previous question... If Azure AD (AAD?) adds that much complexity -- why keep it around?
It doesn't, we were talking about AD, not Azure AD which are completely different mechanisms.
Azure AD has no servers, no licensing and is already there and completely included in things we already own. We do nothing for it. All we do is sign in with it and ta da, it is there. Zero overhead.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
But you are using AAD, right?
For the Windows 10 office people like @ataylor14 and @jenuinecase yes.
Now the question is - is the SSO worth it even for those who choose to still be on Windows?
Yes, because there is really zero overhead, no LAN dependency, no location dependency, no cost and it provides additional management through a channel we have to manage already so no additional work for free authentication benefits.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
So I refer you to my previous question... If Azure AD (AAD?) adds that much complexity -- why keep it around?
It doesn't, we were talking about AD, not Azure AD which are completely different mechanisms.
Azure AD has no servers, no licensing and is already there and completely included in things we already own. We do nothing for it. All we do is sign in with it and ta da, it is there. Zero overhead.
Ok, that is where I was getting confused.
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This only works because those people were deemed separately to need Windows 10 and would be staying up to date on the latest Windows. While other teams are moving to Linux and there Azure AD won't work (yet.)
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Quick Recap:
Active Directory is the "old LAN way" with LAN or LAN-like dependencies.
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@Dashrender Can't you use those reverse engineered drivers? I think Tricerat makes them.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender Can't you use those reverse engineered drivers? I think Tricerat makes them.
Drivers for what?
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@Dashrender Printers being your bane using your example. Sorry I got lunch I've been away
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender Printers being your bane using your example
LOL, I'd quote who you are responding to
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@scottalanmiller said:
This only works because those people were deemed separately to need Windows 10 and would be staying up to date on the latest Windows. While other teams are moving to Linux and there Azure AD won't work (yet.)
Are they going to be introducing AADFS or a similar SSO option?
