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    Virtualization Redemption?

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    • coliverC
      coliver @hubtechagain
      last edited by coliver

      @hubtechagain said:

      are there any free/not super expensive options?

      It doesn't look like it is built into the functionality of Veeam Free's GUI. But it looks like Powershell can help you.

      http://www.veeam.com/blog/veeam-backup-free-edition-now-with-powershell.html

      It should be noted that Veeam Free can't do incremental backups (at least not that I've seen) so every time you ran this it would be a full backup.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
        last edited by

        Not aware of any free incremental options for that scale on any platform, least of all ESXi.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @hubtechagain
          last edited by

          @hubtechagain said:

          are there any free/not super expensive options?

          Veeam Essentials is pretty inexpensive $800 or so I think for 3 hosts.

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          • coliverC
            coliver
            last edited by coliver

            If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender said:

              @hubtechagain said:

              are there any free/not super expensive options?

              Veeam Essentials is pretty inexpensive $800 or so I think for 3 hosts.

              Similar in cost to ESXi Essentials. Presumably well within the reasonable cost threshold if they are happy to pay for ESXi.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                If you move to HyperV you can eliminate all of that cost from VMWare and put that money into the backup solution where the money is needed. All of that money going to VMware seems like just throwing away the resources needed for the actual solution.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  Unitrends will do incrementals on XenServer too, but a completely different pricing structure than on HyperV or ESXi. So no idea if it is more or less for the scenario in question.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @coliver
                    last edited by Dashrender

                    @coliver said:

                    If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.

                    Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).

                    That said I overheard @KatieUnitrends tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      There are other options too, StorageCraft, for example, will probably do what is wanted here.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                        last edited by

                        @Dashrender said:

                        @coliver said:

                        If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.

                        Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).

                        That said I overheard @KatieUnitrends tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          If you move to HyperV you can eliminate all of that cost from VMWare and put that money into the backup solution where the money is needed. All of that money going to VMware seems like just throwing away the resources needed for the actual solution.

                          Not entirely. The client will have to pay for the conversion time that Hub spends converting from ESXi to Hyper-V - probably 2-5 times what the cost of ESXi Essentials is.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @Dashrender said:

                            @coliver said:

                            If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.

                            Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).

                            That said I overheard @KatieUnitrends tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.

                            Are you quoting me for effect? lol

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                            • coliverC
                              coliver @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said:

                              @coliver said:

                              If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.

                              Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).

                              That said I overheard Katey tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.

                              Hmm, I could have sworn that they offered the 3TB backup thing in the $1000 range. That doesn't seem very expensive to me if you are considering VMWare and this is critical infrastructure.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                last edited by

                                @Dashrender said:

                                Not entirely. The client will have to pay for the conversion time that Hub spends converting from ESXi to Hyper-V - probably 2-5 times what the cost of ESXi Essentials is.

                                What's the conversion time? How many are there? ESXi Essentials is not a one time cost but a long term commitment to recurring costs. Yes the biggest one is up front, but you have to just keep paying both as you maintain your license and even more as you want more hosts, CPUs, memory, features, etc.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  @coliver said:

                                  If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.

                                  Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).

                                  That said I overheard @KatieUnitrends tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.

                                  Are you quoting me for effect? lol

                                  Fixed her name.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @coliver
                                    last edited by Dashrender

                                    @coliver said:

                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    @coliver said:

                                    If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.

                                    Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).

                                    That said I overheard Katey tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.

                                    Hmm, I could have sworn that they offered the 3TB backup thing in the $1000 range. That doesn't seem very expensive to me if you are considering VMWare and this is critical infrastructure.

                                    Compared to Veeam at $800 it's not bad - though there is no size limit on Veeam.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      Not entirely. The client will have to pay for the conversion time that Hub spends converting from ESXi to Hyper-V - probably 2-5 times what the cost of ESXi Essentials is.

                                      If this costs anywhere near as much as the ESXi licenses, something is wrong. This would be a simple and painless process. Not free, things take time, but should be trivial effort overall.

                                      http://www.5nine.com/vmware-hyper-v-v2v-conversion-free.aspx

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                                      • coliverC
                                        coliver @Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        @coliver said:

                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        @coliver said:

                                        If I recall correctly Veeam proper really isn't that expensive, Unitrends isn't either may be worth looking into a paid version of both of those.

                                        Boy, what is your definition of not expensive? Unitrends the last time I looked at them were $1500+ for their baby appliance, and $2000+ for a VM (I think that allowed the backup of something like 2-3 TB).

                                        That said I overheard Katey tell someone at SWorld that Unitrends now has a $399 option, but I didn't get any details.

                                        Hmm, I could have sworn that they offered the 3TB backup thing in the $1000 range. That doesn't seem very expensive to me if you are considering VMWare and this is critical infrastructure.

                                        is that the appliance cost?

                                        No VM. I could be wrong though.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          Not entirely. The client will have to pay for the conversion time that Hub spends converting from ESXi to Hyper-V - probably 2-5 times what the cost of ESXi Essentials is.

                                          If this costs anywhere near as much as the ESXi licenses, something is wrong. This would be a simple and painless process. Not free, things take time, but should be trivial effort overall.

                                          http://www.5nine.com/vmware-hyper-v-v2v-conversion-free.aspx

                                          But as you've pointed out to me in the past, the tech gets paid for all time spent working on the project. I suppose he could do this remote, start the process, come back 3 hours later and click finish and hope all goes well, and only bill for one hour.

                                          But that conversion also probably assumes that you have both a Hyper-V and an ESXi host up at the same time, which he does not. He has 2 ESXi hosts. Assuming both hosts have enough storage to hold everything, he could migrate everything to one host, (probably an hour or more billing), then build rebuild the now empty server as Hyper-V (let's say 30 mins of billing to be nice), then the conversion process. Assuming he only spends 1 hour of time managing the conversion we're now at around 2.5 hours at $200/hr = $500... OK that's less than the cost of ESXi.

                                          But if he has to copy the ESXi files to a backup medium to clear up on host, then build the now empty as Hyper-V, then migrate from ESXi to Hyper-V, then backup Hyper to backup medium, restore ESXi to now empty ESXi, then convert to Hyper-V, then build now second empty ESXi host as Hyper-V and restore from backup... that will take a heck of a lot longer.

                                          And the last situation I can think of:
                                          Backup all ESXi to backup solution, format both ESXi servers to Hyper-V, then use tool to restore ESXi images as Hyper-V images on newly built servers - still will probably take more than 3 hours managing.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            @Dashrender said:

                                            But as you've pointed out to me in the past, the tech gets paid for all time spent working on the project. I suppose he could do this remote, start the process, come back 3 hours later and click finish and hope all goes well, and only bill for one hour.

                                            I would assume that he has other work to do as well, not only this. Likely there is a lot of time to do this as a background task. Not necessarily, but likely. If not, this project probably would have moved a lot faster because it would have been a focus rather than a background task. Typically this is something you kick off while watching television or having dinner on a weekend, not something you do while sitting on site at the desk. And that's for internal or consulting staff, nothing about this particular circumstance.

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