Full Linux Tablet Coming
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@Dashrender said:
limited apps - this is a perception issue, not a real one. With so much being done in the cloud these days there is little reason that you can't have full normal business access to things that don't require a ton of horse power to utilize (i.e. video editing, possibly graphics editing, etc)
I agree. It is all perception. That's the core problem. The term arose and we "get it" but there is no definition. That makes for a problem long term.
The best definition of mobile I can think of is simply "an OS focused on usability for highly mobile devices like phones and tablets." Which leaves us with no defining characteristics, but at least a definition that mirrors usage.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Something like this I/O Magic MagicTouch Bluetooth Virtual Keyboard built into a tablet would be an amazing step in the right direction for consolidating the hardware platforms into 1 device.
As this device is now, its just another peripheral device. It may fill a need, but seems rather wasteful by it's representation. Of a persons hands only a few feet from it.
A better explanation of what I mean is, this device certainly fills the need of a keyboard on a device, but it seems ridiculous to have to carry yet another device around for the keyboard. It should be integrated.
have you ever tried using one of those? They're pretty horrible. I can barely type on a keyboard that doesn't have the little feet sticking out to prop up the back of the keyboard, let alone type directly onto the table top surface. If I was willing to use it, it wouldn't be for more than a sentence or three a day, more than that and I need a keyboard, at least something like the Surface Pro 3 keyboard, but I'd rather have it more like a laptop keyboard (stiff/rigid).
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@Dashrender the point is that the tools to use the device (and to be considered a full OS, as this subject has digressed to) need to be built in.
A peripheral device although standard on a desktop device (keyboard & mouse, speakers, webcam or whatever) all need to come into the main system, and be built into it.
One shouldn't be required to carry a keyboard and mouse around to be productive on a tablet. The tablet, being a mild content creation / consumption device should have the full functionality to complete it's implied design purpose.
Allowing people to easily create content on it, while if they choose also consume content.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Something like this I/O Magic MagicTouch Bluetooth Virtual Keyboard built into a tablet would be an amazing step in the right direction for consolidating the hardware platforms into 1 device.
As this device is now, its just another peripheral device. It may fill a need, but seems rather wasteful by it's representation. Of a persons hands only a few feet from it.
A better explanation of what I mean is, this device certainly fills the need of a keyboard on a device, but it seems ridiculous to have to carry yet another device around for the keyboard. It should be integrated.
But if it is integrated, isn't it now a laptop and not a tablet and now we are back to not being good at being a tablet?
I prefer my devices discrete, each doing what it is good at. Not for everyone, but I like getting to select best of breed and having an awesome experience, even though those experiences are different.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@Dashrender the point is that the tools to use the device (and to be considered a full OS, as this subject has digressed to) need to be built in.
OS and device are unrelated. OS is software, device is hardware. The OS cannot be defined as to what it is by where the end user chooses to install it.
A car is still a car even when dropped off pier.
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@scottalanmiller No Scott
In this example of technology, I am specifically referring to the technology of projection keyboards. As a piece of tech that should be better developed for mobile tablet platforms.
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@DustinB3403 said:
A peripheral device although standard on a desktop device (keyboard & mouse, speakers, webcam or whatever) all need to come into the main system, and be built into it.
No idea what you mean. My desktop needs me to plug in a keyboard, as does my tablet.
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@scottalanmiller Does your tablet not have a built in on screen keyboard which can be used?
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@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller No Scott
In this example of technology, I am specifically referring to the technology of projection keyboards. As a piece of tech that should be better developed for mobile tablet platforms.
That's just silly. It's a neat idea, but it is just a toy. There is a reason why people typing all of the time don't want to even use laptop keyboards.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller Does your tablet not have a built in on screen keyboard which can be used?
Sure, every modern OS does.
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Then you're not required to connect a keyboard to it.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Then you're not required to connect a keyboard to it.
Huh? Sure you are. You HAVE to connect some device for input, whether it is a touch screen, keyboard, mouse, etc. Doesn't matter what OS you have.
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I think you continue to try to blend the mobile device with the OS. They are discrete things and cannot be treated in that way. You are making yourself confused by referring to a keyboard driver or display at one moment and built in hardware in the next and having hardware requirements to define software. It just doesn't make sense.
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My goal, if I were designing a tablet, for the purpose of mild content creation & content consumption would be to build an all inclusive device, which doesn't require any external device to use the device "easily" as an onscreen keyboard would consume the majority of the display of any mobile device.
Which is why many people opt for the external keyboard.
But build a better projection keyboard. Build better tech, rather than falling back to already existing models.
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@DustinB3403 said:
My goal, if I were designing a tablet, for the purpose of mild content creation & content consumption would be to build an all inclusive device, which doesn't require any external device to use the device "easily" as an onscreen keyboard would consume the majority of the display of any mobile device.
I feel like you are describing a laptop. What aspect of this isn't "a laptop"?
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@DustinB3403 said:
But build a better projection keyboard. Build better tech, rather than falling back to already existing models.
How do I use that, say, on my lap? No matter how "good" it is? Where can I use that except in contrived situations where I wouldn't use a tablet?
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OK Lets take a Surface Pro.
As designed, it has hardware (screen, processor, memory, SSD, etc) then you have the software.
Add 1 more piece of hardware into the mix, that's built in, not at all external to the case. (the part you actually can touch besides the screen). That part being a projector, and build software to create a projection keyboard for that device.
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@DustinB3403 said:
OK Lets take a Surface Pro.
As designed, it has hardware (screen, processor, memory, SSD, etc) then you have the software.
Add 1 more piece of hardware into the mix, that's built in, not at all external to the case. (the part you actually can touch besides the screen). That part being a projector, and build software to create a projection keyboard for that device.
And, to me, now you just have an even more useless device. More costly to make, still has a useless keyboard so that it is just a worse tablet than before, which was already a bad tablet.
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I think this is the perfect example of why I like dedicated devices and not half-assed attempts at integration. There is no universal rule saying that one device should meet all needs. That's an assumption without basis. Nothing wrong with trying to do that, but you have to assume that there is no reason to believe that it is sensible.
There is a reason why laptops don't replace desktops, why tablets don't replace laptops, why phones don't replace tablets and why watches don't replace phones and why implants don't replace watches. Each thing has a niche, a use case where it makes sense. Contractors don't build houses with just a hammer nor do they feel like they should. Different tools for different work.
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It's only bad, because of a few case uses.
In many cases a built in projection keyboard would be quite useful. Maybe not all as if you wanted to use the device on your lap. But a better software/hardware approach could be designed.
Not sure specifically how, maybe some soft of limitation on the registered input for the "keystrokes" but it's certainly possible.
