@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs If you are receiving a subsidy from the state, there are bound to be requirements to receive the subsidy. This is one such requirement.

You are receiving low cost daycare, a requirement to that is an annual household checkup.

I get it, and don't disagree with there being stipulations on it. It makes sense to me, to ensure that the child is in a safe home etc.

Of course, I'm sure that these checkups then could evolve into CPS visits etc. But if it's not CPS, but a daycare provider. . . I guess I don't see why bother?

Why make the daycare provider (teacher) perform the check-in. Why wouldn't a CPS rep do this? I guess because you know the teacher, and no a random stranger from CPS. . .

Because they dont want to waste city services on something as simple as a home visit ( @Dashrender allow me to clarify - its more of a parent - teacher conference but in the comfort of your own home.
IF they had to do a full home sweep CPS would be called ( im sure) but that has hardly happened ( never for me )

What a complete waste of time - so now you're telling us that the government is paying that person to drive to your home and all those associated costs so you can have an parent teacher conference, when you could simply stay at the school a bit longer when you pickup your child one day. /sigh.

yep. pretty much

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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

I guess the question is why aren't they speaking with the kids mother (or primary care taker and residence operator) rather than you?

It seems like an attempt to milk you for your money for your ex. . . . (wooh he just bought this. . . Take him to court to get more money)

(cynical me)

Because my ex wasnt answering her phone. She said it was my thing since i have weekdays off most times. But after today they have to go through her for all of that or she needs to add me as primary care giver on the account

So she doesn't do what is required and they don't care, but if you don't do what isn't required, they take action? Seriously, this is when lawyers step in. I'd be all over them for discrimination in a flash. They have legal responsibilities that they are shirking and are taking advantage of their position to basically threaten you.

I have to agree with @scottalanmiller here, if she isn't answering her phone that could be considered abandonment of the child. So why aren't they calling CPS on her, and bringing the child to the responsible parent who is answering the phone?

"Because she wasn't answering her phone" doesn't mean you kidnapped her, and have her locked up in your basement. So why "stop-in" and see what's up?!

Because she still picked up our son, but when she did the ones who stopped me arent there because its later than when I pick him up
And she claims she doesnt get calls but they text her too ( they have that option) and she resposes to some of them Its a huge cluster fuck of situation that i am cursed with basically

So again, you should be documenting this and bring it up with your attorney to fight for sole custody and child support. I sure as shit would.

If she is shirking her responsibility as a parent, how is she a reasonable parent?

And, more importantly, the STATE has recognized you as the sole parent and has recognized that she has abandoned the child. The STATE has! The school, is a state agency, so that carries a LOT of weight. Right or wrong, the state has made one whopping statement there.

That was my point. The school said "well dad always answers, lets call him". That is clearly a statement of faith that the judge never was able to see.

And would make for one hell of an argument in family court for a reversal of roles.

They didnt even have my number until a week ago. But i see what your saying

But if you were the emergency contact, how could they not have had your number? Something doesn't add up, maybe I missed a part of the topic or something.

But as it sounds, she is shirking her responsibility and expecting you to pick up after her. Which solely makes you the responsible adult in the arrangement. . .

basically - they had my number for emergency contacts i.e if he was sick at school or such i had to pick him up. but she's the 'main' on the account- making her number the first one they call in the event of things not being done such as a home visit-
I didnt get a call about it - i was told last week that it had to be done, or else he couldnt go back at all, so i just did what i had to do to keep him enrolled.
Now they have my number as a secondary contact in case she doesnt answer. and she know that now.

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

I guess the question is why aren't they speaking with the kids mother (or primary care taker and residence operator) rather than you?

It seems like an attempt to milk you for your money for your ex. . . . (wooh he just bought this. . . Take him to court to get more money)

(cynical me)

Because my ex wasnt answering her phone. She said it was my thing since i have weekdays off most times. But after today they have to go through her for all of that or she needs to add me as primary care giver on the account

So she doesn't do what is required and they don't care, but if you don't do what isn't required, they take action? Seriously, this is when lawyers step in. I'd be all over them for discrimination in a flash. They have legal responsibilities that they are shirking and are taking advantage of their position to basically threaten you.

I have to agree with @scottalanmiller here, if she isn't answering her phone that could be considered abandonment of the child. So why aren't they calling CPS on her, and bringing the child to the responsible parent who is answering the phone?

"Because she wasn't answering her phone" doesn't mean you kidnapped her, and have her locked up in your basement. So why "stop-in" and see what's up?!

Because she still picked up our son, but when she did the ones who stopped me arent there because its later than when I pick him up
And she claims she doesnt get calls but they text her too ( they have that option) and she resposes to some of them Its a huge cluster fuck of situation that i am cursed with basically

So again, you should be documenting this and bring it up with your attorney to fight for sole custody and child support. I sure as shit would.

If she is shirking her responsibility as a parent, how is she a reasonable parent?

And, more importantly, the STATE has recognized you as the sole parent and has recognized that she has abandoned the child. The STATE has! The school, is a state agency, so that carries a LOT of weight. Right or wrong, the state has made one whopping statement there.

That was my point. The school said "well dad always answers, lets call him". That is clearly a statement of faith that the judge never was able to see.

And would make for one hell of an argument in family court for a reversal of roles.

They didnt even have my number until a week ago. But i see what your saying

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

I guess the question is why aren't they speaking with the kids mother (or primary care taker and residence operator) rather than you?

It seems like an attempt to milk you for your money for your ex. . . . (wooh he just bought this. . . Take him to court to get more money)

(cynical me)

Because my ex wasnt answering her phone. She said it was my thing since i have weekdays off most times. But after today they have to go through her for all of that or she needs to add me as primary care giver on the account

So she doesn't do what is required and they don't care, but if you don't do what isn't required, they take action? Seriously, this is when lawyers step in. I'd be all over them for discrimination in a flash. They have legal responsibilities that they are shirking and are taking advantage of their position to basically threaten you.

I have to agree with @scottalanmiller here, if she isn't answering her phone that could be considered abandonment of the child. So why aren't they calling CPS on her, and bringing the child to the responsible parent who is answering the phone?

"Because she wasn't answering her phone" doesn't mean you kidnapped her, and have her locked up in your basement. So why "stop-in" and see what's up?!

Because she still picked up our son, but when she did the ones who stopped me arent there because its later than when I pick him up
And she claims she doesnt get calls but they text her too ( they have that option) and she resposes to some of them Its a huge cluster f*** of situation that i am cursed with basically

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

I guess the question is why aren't they speaking with the kids mother (or primary care taker and residence operator) rather than you?

It seems like an attempt to milk you for your money for your ex. . . . (wooh he just bought this. . . Take him to court to get more money)

(cynical me)

Because my ex wasnt answering her phone. She said it was my thing since i have weekdays off most times. But after today they have to go through her for all of that or she needs to add me as primary care giver on the account

So she doesn't do what is required and they don't care, but if you don't do what isn't required, they take action? Seriously, this is when lawyers step in. I'd be all over them for discrimination in a flash. They have legal responsibilities that they are shirking and are taking advantage of their position to basically threaten you.

I was the only parent they saw at the time that week. She doesnt do what is required and they tell me about it basically. yeah, its great. I get to deal with all of the adult stuff basically because she wont.

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

I guess the question is why aren't they speaking with the kids mother (or primary care taker and residence operator) rather than you?

It seems like an attempt to milk you for your money for your ex. . . . (wooh he just bought this. . . Take him to court to get more money)

(cynical me)

Because my ex wasnt answering her phone. She said it was my thing since i have weekdays off most times. But after today they have to go through her for all of that or she needs to add me as primary care giver on the account

So your ex is just as crazy as all Ex's are, and trying to act predatory against you. . .

In a sense yes! LOL but what else is new?

@dustinb3403 I do pay child support - way to damn much in child support actually.

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

I guess the question is why aren't they speaking with the kids mother (or primary care taker and residence operator) rather than you?

It seems like an attempt to milk you for your money for your ex. . . . (wooh he just bought this. . . Take him to court to get more money)

(cynical me)

Because my ex wasnt answering her phone. She said it was my thing since i have weekdays off most times. But after today they have to go through her for all of that or she needs to add me as primary care giver on the account

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

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@wrcombs Does the teacher walk around the house, or do they simply come over and sit on the couch and talk?

If it's anything more than a sit down and talk, then it is a CPS assessment of your home, and the housing conditions for the child.

Even if you don't know about it.

They come in, Sit down , talk ( usually about goals and such) then they leave. I offered to show them around the first time and they said it wasn't what they were there for.

Leave a broken down motor in parts on the living room floor, making a massive mess of the house and see how it changes their tune. . . /sarcasim-off

hahah right? But heres the thing, they've only came to my house and im not even on the account there other than as an emergency contact and Parent pick up.. So basically them coming to my current home shouldnt be happening because they havent even seen my exes house. not once.

How do they get to come there then? Why do you let them in? Call the cops.

I just found out last week that I am not on the Account other than parent pick up and emergency contact, after I already set up the Home visit with them so my son could stay a "student" at their school. after this, they know to contact her or stop her when shes picking him up and tell her.

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@WrCombs no offense meant.

none taken man, all good!

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So they are simply trying to ascertain the child's needs through a parent who is only an emergency contact..

Seems like a waste of money to me. . .

Well they know i am the Father, if that means anything at all i dont know

@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs Does the teacher walk around the house, or do they simply come over and sit on the couch and talk?

If it's anything more than a sit down and talk, then it is a CPS assessment of your home, and the housing conditions for the child.

Even if you don't know about it.

They come in, Sit down , talk ( usually about goals and such) then they leave. I offered to show them around the first time and they said it wasn't what they were there for.

Put yourself in the teacher's position. Typically this is a young, somewhat attractive female. They also have to be concerned about their safety and security as well. Therefore, probably wouldn't want to be lead to the backroom to be forced to do who knows what to them.

There is always at least 2 of them if not more. but i could understand that

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs Does the teacher walk around the house, or do they simply come over and sit on the couch and talk?

If it's anything more than a sit down and talk, then it is a CPS assessment of your home, and the housing conditions for the child.

Even if you don't know about it.

They come in, Sit down , talk ( usually about goals and such) then they leave. I offered to show them around the first time and they said it wasn't what they were there for.

Leave a broken down motor in parts on the living room floor, making a massive mess of the house and see how it changes their tune. . . /sarcasim-off

hahah right? But heres the thing, they've only came to my house and im not even on the account there other than as an emergency contact and Parent pick up.. So basically them coming to my current home shouldnt be happening because they havent even seen my exes house. not once.

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs Does the teacher walk around the house, or do they simply come over and sit on the couch and talk?

If it's anything more than a sit down and talk, then it is a CPS assessment of your home, and the housing conditions for the child.

Even if you don't know about it.

They come in, Sit down , talk ( usually about goals and such) then they leave. I offered to show them around the first time and they said it wasn't what they were there for.

@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wrcombs If you are receiving a subsidy from the state, there are bound to be requirements to receive the subsidy. This is one such requirement.

You are receiving low cost daycare, a requirement to that is an annual household checkup.

I get it, and don't disagree with there being stipulations on it. It makes sense to me, to ensure that the child is in a safe home etc.

Of course, I'm sure that these checkups then could evolve into CPS visits etc. But if it's not CPS, but a daycare provider. . . I guess I don't see why bother?

Why make the daycare provider (teacher) perform the check-in. Why wouldn't a CPS rep do this? I guess because you know the teacher, and no a random stranger from CPS. . .

Because they dont want to waste city services on something as simple as a home visit ( @Dashrender allow me to clarify - its more of a parent - teacher conference but in the comfort of your own home.
IF they had to do a full home sweep CPS would be called ( im sure) but that has hardly happened ( never for me )

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My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun

Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?

Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.

And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.

Holy crap - what school is that?

Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.

Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.

I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.

Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.

I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.

That's not quite true in this case. This is the government providing a service and adding stipulations that aren't necessarily appropriate for the government to be adding. It's a bit of a grey area. Can the government forcibly search your home? No. Can they do it if you use their daycare? What if you use their roads, or water?

Exactly. They are exerting control over you that they don't really have the authority to do so.

All because they are offering my son a place to go while im at work or school - Which is another stipulation- you have to be either at work or in college ( or high school for some parents) and they continually check on that..

That's a bit different.

just a bit..
Not my choice, but its free. so what ever.

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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

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@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun

Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?

Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.

And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.

Holy crap - what school is that?

Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.

Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.

I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.

Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.

I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.

That's not quite true in this case. This is the government providing a service and adding stipulations that aren't necessarily appropriate for the government to be adding. It's a bit of a grey area. Can the government forcibly search your home? No. Can they do it if you use their daycare? What if you use their roads, or water?

Exactly. They are exerting control over you that they don't really have the authority to do so.

All because they are offering my son a place to go while im at work or school - Which is another stipulation- you have to be either at work or in college ( or high school for some parents) and they continually check on that..

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My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun

Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?

Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.

And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.

Holy crap - what school is that?

Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.

Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.

I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.

Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.

I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.

Well, in this specific case this is a wellfare system. William gets free daycare (free to him, paid for by the state). His choices are don't use the system, or pay money he likely doesn't have to use a daycare that doesn't require this.

Ignore the cost. This is a stipulation on the use of the good by the vendor, it was agreed to by the customer.

If this wasn't state run, I would completely ignore the cost, but it is.

Its just another way to keep tabs on people in low income environments basically, yes. most of the kids in the classes come from minorities and teen moms who need hand outs. if it was up to me they wouldnt come to my home at all... which they shouldn't but Im not going to rant about it.

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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

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@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun

Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?

Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.

And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.

Holy crap - what school is that?

Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.

Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.

I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.

Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.

I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.

Well, in this specific case this is a wellfare system. William gets free daycare (free to him, paid for by the state). His choices are don't use the system, or pay money he likely doesn't have to use a daycare that doesn't require this.

Accurate depection.

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@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun

Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?

Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.

And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.

Holy crap - what school is that?

Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.

Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.

I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.

Well since its state funded- its free from 830-230 after that we pay 12 dollars for every hour, with a credit of up to 100 dollars before they get on us about payments.