Processed foods are bad, unless they're processed foods which are good.

@JaredBusch said in I'm under attack I need help in ssh:

@inroute said in I'm under attack I need help in ssh:

@tiagom ummmm....

@tiagom is exactly right. You have a Panasonic device on your network, it should be behind your router/firewall, so just turn off port 22 at your router/firewall.

Better yet, do that, and change the port of sshd all together to something much higher. Yes, it's sort of "security through obscurity," but it will avoid constant bot attacks and so forth, but anyone directly wanting to attack the machine can easily find the information if it's open to the public Internet.

@johnhooks said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

I need to do a write up on Zoho's new interface. They have a new "streams" feature that's kind of interesting. You can make posts and tag people in them. From my limited understanding, it's kind of like a Slack or Rocket.Chat system.

If you're posting that publicly, I'd like to see it afterwards if you don't mind

@anthonyh said in Weird telnet Issue:

@travisdh1 I always use the IP, so DNS should be out of the mix. SSH does not have this issue.

It doesn't matter if you go by IP, the daemon will still try to resolve your IP to host. I'd check to see if there's a configuration issue, seeing how DNS look ups can be turned off for sshd, I imagine that's true with telnetd as well, and that may be why you're having the problem with telnet, but not ssh. As far as machines go, depending on subnets and further configuration, as well as DNS server response/cache time (many people forget to add forwarders and only use the root ones, making it all slow), this could also make the issue only happen with certain machines, but not with others.

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@JaredBusch What is "new earth"?

Biblical Creation

Young Earth, Old Earth... does it really matter? It's not like God's up there with a stop watch, "Ok, time to prepare the Earth for the next phase starting in 48 hours..."

Or maybe he is , and 48 hours to God is like 48,000,000 hours for us or something, lol.

I take the stance that Science isn't going to teach us about the Spiritual, and the Spiritual isn't going to teach us about science... However, the two are not mutually exclusive.

This type of commentary should go into a new thread as it is certain to be something that sets people off and will end up having nothing to do with the thread.

(Yes, I started it with my screenshot, sorry).

Perhaps it should be split into another thread? Probably a good idea.

@anthonyh said in Weird telnet Issue:

Here is where I'm boggled that I think some are missing...

If I am using telnet directly on my workstation, I get a 10 or so second delay before the session starts.

If I SSH into my workstation, then use telnet, the session starts instantly.

If I SSH into my workstation, from my workstation (e.g. ssh 127.0.0.1), then use telnet, the session starts instantly.

What would an SSH session change to remove the delay?

Have you checked the DNS lookup configuration for sshd_config? Because 127.0.0.1 is in the hosts file so there is no look up time, ditto with telnetd.

This delay issue is almost always related to DNS queries, with very few exceptions. It doesn't matter what machine you are coming from or going to, if the "remote" machine doesn't have your connecting IP in its hosts file and it's configured to look up the host, you'll get a delay, especially with slow DNS queries, typically that 10 seconds means it probably timed out the request.

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

@anthonyh said in Weird telnet Issue:

@tonyshowoff

That makes sense, but I still don't understand how an SSH session changes the behavior of telnet. Wouldn't be the same as if I'm executing telnet on the workstation itself?

When you go through SSH and execute in the shell, it's probably using a different connecting IP, I'd check that to see if you're getting the same result. Plus also you could just do:

Edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config

Change UseDNS to No

restart sshd

And I haven't used telnetd in about 15 years, but a potential solution, which may or may not work any more or for Fedora (I mostly use FreeBSD):

Edit /etc/hosts.allow

Add to a new line:

in.telnetd: ALL

Restart via inetd or xinetd or whatever you're using, unless it has its own service controller. Telnet is pretty much obsolete because it's plaintext.

@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:

@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

Many of those that are religious would argue that atheism must be a religion as it requires faith. Agnosticism has a strong argument for the potential to be religion free. But just as believing in a higher being requires faith, believing there is not one transfers that faith to the universe in such a way that it becomes religious.

I think some atheists have a weird cult-like view of their own and themselves, but most atheists I don't think really have any faith at all, and I don't consider "belief" in science to be a matter of faith, because science is true whether or not you believe it. One could say that about God, but you can't test God, but you can test in science.

A good WordPress feature would be: rewrite WordPress to not be garbage.

Having said that, WordPress has been getting better, slowly but surely, and hopefully in time it will become a lot better. I've been using the 4.6 and the only updates I've noticed is the "RTE" is a lot better, the old one was sort of a pain in the butt, but I mostly edit in HTML anyway, I don't usually use the rich aspect of it.

I'm being cautiously impressed with WordPress.

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

But at work... surround yourself with idiots so that you look better and are more likely to get promotions! Brilliant strategy

YES! But in all fairness, the idiots were already here when I showed up.

You gotta keep your eye on them to make sure they don't break anything and get you in trouble for it.

We switched from MongoDB to Cassandra over a year ago. I can't say MongoDB is bad, but for us it wasn't good enough, primarily due to issues with reverse sorting. We ran into serious performance problems, and trust me, we tried to tune the hell out of it. I will say ours is not a normal use case, we have many terabytes (and I say that with 1024, not 1000) of data.

So, I can recommend either one to most people, but out of the box MongoDB is easier to deal with than Cassandra, but if you're going nuts like us and having sorting problems, that may be a reason to use Cassandra.

I'm just mentioning this because it was an issue we wasted way too much time on trying to solve.

@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:

@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:

@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:

@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:

@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.

I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.

All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

Yeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."

Cult, like Propaganda, once was not a bad word, now they both are due to their usage as a means to criticise. Now they're called "religion" and "public relations/advertising."

In my old house I was working on putting in H0 scale all along the walls in the basement, going through the walls as tunnels, etc, even through the bathroom. I wanted to add in a bunch of stuff to control with a computer, but I never got around to it, simply not enough time. I did manage to have nearly 250 meters of HO scale track

I only like H0 scale, I hate anything bigger. I especially hate that S scale garbage Lionel puts (used to put, mostly) out, it's huge, overpriced, and essentially is best for some boring circular setup. 00 scale is OK too.

I really like H0 scale because you can order it from America for cheaper than similar sizes from Germany, and with far, far more selection. This used to be more true, less true now. I remember going to Toys R Us on 6th Ave in NYC and getting each new/different H0 scale starter kit, because they always had strange box cars and so forth you couldn't really find in hobby shops, and they were cheap as hell by comparison.

The most expensive car I ever bought was the Hershey's one, which did indeed smell like chocolate, it was awesome.

I mostly sold all of my stuff on eBay after 9/11, but I had 67 different HO scale cars, I have pictures some place I'll look for.

Some kits I got multiple of because they were on sale and I wanted the parts and it was cheaper than hobby shops, those were typically:

This one back when it had pin rails instead of this snap together garbage:

From time to time they'd come out though with different cars, but be in the same box, and in fact I think the latter one I saw more than any other, but with varying cars.

In some cases in order to get more realism, if you cannot find the cars independently, you gotta buy like 4 or 5 of the same kit. This is especially true with passenger trains:

I do remember when I first got into this after arriving in America, Toys R Us had individual cars for sale, but that seemed to disappear by 2000 for some reason.

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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.

I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.

All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

Yeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."

But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.

American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.

If you really want to mess with some of their heads, start comparing Christianity and Islam, and argue some of the logical problems in Christianity (such as the crucifixion and resurrection, and the trinity, especially the trinity) and explain how these ideas work versus in Islam. It makes them uncomfortable, sometimes hostile because of the strangeness. It's a whole thing I don't want to derail the thread about, but as a Muslim I think it can be quite funny.

Especially though if they want to quote any violent aspects of the Qur'an, I can find usually the same things in the Bible, sometimes almost word for word since most of the Qur'an comes from the Bible in some form or another. There's plenty of double back flips trying to explain why if the Qur'an says it, it's bad, but if the Bible says it, well that's different.

Read my next post.

Yeah I just saw yours I think it's funny we both brought that up.

Well the tag is for:
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/releases/tag/v4.19-rc4

That's in the latest release candidate, so there is no stable with this yet.

If you're daring, you can pull the driver out of this release and compile it with the 4.18 release.

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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.

I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.

All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

Yeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."

But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.

American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.

If you really want to mess with some of their heads, start comparing Christianity and Islam, and argue some of the logical problems in Christianity (such as the crucifixion and resurrection, and the trinity, especially the trinity) and explain how these ideas work versus in Islam. It makes them uncomfortable, sometimes hostile because of the strangeness. It's a whole thing I don't want to derail the thread about, but as a Muslim I think it can be quite funny.

Especially though if they want to quote any violent aspects of the Qur'an, I can find usually the same things in the Bible, sometimes almost word for word since most of the Qur'an comes from the Bible in some form or another. There's plenty of double back flips trying to explain why if the Qur'an says it, it's bad, but if the Bible says it, well that's different.

One easier... just bring up the Council of Nicaea.

This is where the Trinity doctrine came from . Constantine, a lifelong pagan, was trying to unite his empire, and basically imposed immortality of the soul, the trinity, Christmas as Jesus' birthday, etc all to appease to both pagans and Christians. Many Christians refer to this as the real start of "the great apostasy".

I don't think overlapping pagan holidays are bad, it makes transition easier, but in my opinion going against the previous 300 or so years in order to spawn something more easily changeable I think is unreasonable. The Islamic view of Christianity traditionally is that Christians have the right idea, but are largely incorrect in their interpretation, and are still considered "People of the Book" regardless. I've seen a similar view from some Jewish sects over the years as well, but in a sort of reverse way considering they don't consider Jesus to be the Messiah.

There's actually a movement in more recent times in Judaism where some believe that Jesus was the Messiah, and that the Jews of that time were just dumb. It's kind of weird to hear about it because it kind of goes against everything that traditional Judaism stands for.

There is a name for that branch of Judaism. We call it, Christianity.

Messianic Judaism. Christianity is far different from Judaism. Islam and Judaism are closer than either one is to Christianity.

I think it's possible, but it may be only if the sort of devices people use it with change in some manner down the road, but for PCs and Servers it isn't really a good way to go for anyone I don't think. Like SAM said, it would undermine their entire ecosystem, but for cloud or goofy end consumer devices where the subscription is possibly bundled with some other service fee, certainly possible.

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I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.

I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.

All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

Yeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."

But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.

American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.

If you really want to mess with some of their heads, start comparing Christianity and Islam, and argue some of the logical problems in Christianity (such as the crucifixion and resurrection, and the trinity, especially the trinity) and explain how these ideas work versus in Islam. It makes them uncomfortable, sometimes hostile because of the strangeness. It's a whole thing I don't want to derail the thread about, but as a Muslim I think it can be quite funny.

Especially though if they want to quote any violent aspects of the Qur'an, I can find usually the same things in the Bible, sometimes almost word for word since most of the Qur'an comes from the Bible in some form or another. There's plenty of double back flips trying to explain why if the Qur'an says it, it's bad, but if the Bible says it, well that's different.

One easier... just bring up the Council of Nicaea.

This is where the Trinity doctrine came from . Constantine, a lifelong pagan, was trying to unite his empire, and basically imposed immortality of the soul, the trinity, Christmas as Jesus' birthday, etc all to appease to both pagans and Christians. Many Christians refer to this as the real start of "the great apostasy".

I don't think overlapping pagan holidays are bad, it makes transition easier, but in my opinion going against the previous 300 or so years in order to spawn something more easily changeable I think is unreasonable. The Islamic view of Christianity traditionally is that Christians have the right idea, but are largely incorrect in their interpretation, and are still considered "People of the Book" regardless. I've seen a similar view from some Jewish sects over the years as well, but in a sort of reverse way considering they don't consider Jesus to be the Messiah.

There's actually a movement in more recent times in Judaism where some believe that Jesus was the Messiah, and that the Jews of that time were just dumb. It's kind of weird to hear about it because it kind of goes against everything that traditional Judaism stands for.

There is a name for that branch of Judaism. We call it, Christianity.

Messianic Judaism. Christianity is far different from Judaism. Islam and Judaism are closer than either one is to Christianity.

Actual Christianity is just Judaism that followed Christ. That most people using the term Christian today follow different or additional doctrine makes it confusing. But the term Christian, or the Cult of Christ, is simply an extension of Judaism. Or as it applies to Gentiles.

Christianity in its original form, yes, but it has been modified so much that it's hardly similar. Islam, for example, also follows Christ, but it doesn't ignore the dietary and other laws which Christianity now does. In the early days Christians and Jews were essentially identical except for the whole Messiah thing, now if you compare and contrast both views of God and also views of the tenates of faith, I think you'll find as I said above, Islam and Judaism are fairly similar, Christianity is pretty different. The roots are the same and I'm not denying that, but I think in addition to dietary laws, the biggest is the trinity. Both Judaism and Islam see God as one and indivisible, Christianity on the otherhand does not, in fact it creates an odd situation where Jesus is God, but he doesn't know things God knows (Matthew 24:36 ) and he prays to God all the time, which is himself, but not really.

Messianic Judaism does not turn into what we see as "Christianity" today automatically, even views of the afterlife are largely based on non-Biblical literature in modern Christianity. You can find various Jews which do believe in the Messianic view of Jesus, but they're not Christians as we'd think of it, even though technically they are.

Now to undermine your thread, I think a more interesting remote possibility is: what if Windows (for some uses) becomes free? Well, as free as far as the user is concerned or sees it anyway. Doubtful for servers, but for everything else depending on the way devices go it may force Microsoft's hand. They ended up making free versions of things like Visual Studio, they're stunted, but they work... I never thought they'd even do that.