@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:

I think what's even crazier is that Russia's space program is now piggy backing parts of the American one.

This is about economics though - why not use the Russian program - they don't care about lives like America has/does/whatever - so their program can be cheaper, and hell, they'll sell us space? Why not? It's the same with why iPhones are made overseas, cheap at or near slave labor.

They don't care about lives? but they have put so much into having a safer program. How can you say that they don't care about lives? All evidence says that they care more.

Ok, maybe now they do

But their program has always been safer, since day one.

I'm just going to shut up now

That's why there wasn't a Soviet moon mission, because it couldn't be proven to be safe enough, the Apollo missions were extremely dangerous and risky. The American perception is that the USSR played fast and loose with safety, but that wasn't true. Some huge, deadly failures were a great propaganda victory for the US in the early days, but since then you were more likely to die in a Space Shuttle than any Soviet or Russian built launch or return craft, and that was true all the way up until the end of the Space Shuttle program.

yeah, the shuttle program was cool and all, but it was a gimmick.

As was, you know, going to the moon. That cost SO much money and... why?

We couldn't let them damn commies git there first! MERICA!

We've not beaten them by... a lot on that one. Except, the won on the whole "cost effective" thing.

Jokes on you guys, that flag is now bleached white, all we gotta do is go back and paint it red. And maybe sweep over some foot prints, knock over from left behind equipment, that kind of thing.

I think I might be a sore loser on this point.

@scottalanmiller said in Is there a Free to Use Java 11 Option?:

@Donahue said in Is there a Free to Use Java 11 Option?:

that's not what I meant. I know the end customer always pays the piper in the end. But I feel like if an app relies on a newer version of java, won't it be bundled into the install?

Java cannot be bundled. Java has to be deployed separately. Always has been that way. Think of Java like MS SQL Server, only typically free. The customer has to deploy it as a requirement. And now the customer might have to pay for it.

Reality is far different... well at least on Windows... and actually not that far... just... everyone shut up and listen to what I have to say!

A lot of people do bundle it. AOL bundled all of their Java based products with Java binaries if they were to run on Windows at all. For example AIM 1.1.19 was written in Java and has JRE 1.1.5 within the install path and that is used regardless of any Java version installed. AIM Enterprise Server as well, but I don't recall that JRE version, but it ran the installer that was packed rather than just having it bundled in the path.

And there are other examples I've seen over the years, a lot of times it's a matter of dealing with JRE changes over time, having to worry about whether the machine has the right version installed, and also having to deal with a separate installer if they don't and all that comes it with. It may be less common now in an era with better installers, but back when Java apps for client-side client-server environments were vastly more common, straight up static bundling happened, and it was not upgradable. It's a bad way to do it, but it was done.

Even so, in the modern era, some Java based things like PhpStorm and all related products in that family will also install their compatible version of JRE when you install. It just unpacks the installer and runs it quiet in the background. A lot of people try to uninstall JRE, including some IT people, primarily because of huge security issues in recent years. Again a reason to not rely on the client to install it.

I imagine it's all because relying on the customer to not only install JRE but the correct version is more complex than just installing the right version of MS SQL Server, because you can have incompatibility issues between even minor versions, even though that defeats the purpose of major/minor versioning in the first place.

Tons of apps which use python also install python, but the same argument can be used for it being the customer responsibility. Yet like with Java, these installers may not even use standard paths or even edit the PATH system variable to execute the binary, like some sort of third party version of "not invented here" syndrome.

I predict that if older versions require paid licensing the apps won't pass on the cost, they'll just violate the license and do like PhpStorm and install whatever they need. How will Oracle check? I've never met a Java programmer, at least of my experience level and years, that really cared about the licensing scheme or requirements, except when speaking in public and pretending we care, or using it as a way to complain about Sun or later Oracle. There may be some corporate exceptions to this because of liability, but on a personal level, rather than a corporate one, I can't think of anyone I've known that cared or even looked into caring.

@Minion-Queen said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Trying to figure out why kind of snack food to pack for a 2 week road trip with lots of hotel stays in between.

And running updates on all devices.

For me: beef jerky and cigarettes, not a joke

Beef jerky or similar low-to-no-carb snack

@DustinB3403 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

And all I wanted to do was open up a conversation so they could start looking for a replacement. I wasn't expecting a circus.

What were you realistically expecting?

I think he had a pretty good idea, I mean both said he wasn't expecting a circus but considering what else he says I imagine deep down he knew it wouldn't be good:

I've been wanting to leave my messed up job for some time now, been there 8+ years. It's been a roller coaster with management here.
To top it all off, she won't read stuff that's too long. If I send emails that are too long or detailed, she refuses to even read them and then chides me

But then he goes on to basically explain an obvious problem that people get into who work for others for a long time, almost an employee-style Stockholm Syndrome.

I consider them friends and I'm happy to have worked here 8 years so I don't want our relationship to blow up at the last second and lose any kind of reference I might have here.
I don't want their business to suffer, nor our relationship, nor my reference with them.

Undervalued, underpaid, still believes that such people will ever be a good reference for him, and yet wants to extend help as much as realistic even when admitting it'd take forever, i.e. be impossible.

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@nadnerB said in Non-IT News Thread:

One for @RojoLoco

Perth's first adults-only burger comes with a legal waiver that precludes diners with a pre-existing stomach or heart condition – and insists you have someone drive you home.
...
The Canning Vale owner of the American-style Johnny's Burger Joint holds a monthly eating challenge where contenders with fire-resistant stomachs can take on the seemingly innocent-looking double cheese burger that packs a wallop so serious it could put the unwary in hospital.
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"One man finished it, but he left with the shakes and shivers and had to take the next day off work," Mr Wong said.

Rather hot sauce: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/canning-vale-adultsonly-burger-comes-with-a-health-warning-and-a-legal-waiver-20160511-gosx2q.html?eid=email:nnn-13omn652-ret_newsl-membereng:nnn-04%2F11%2F2013-news_am-dom-news-nnn-watoday-u&campaign_code=13INO006&promote_channel=edmail&mbnr=NTg4NTMxNQ

I'm in!

Oh yeah, hotter the better. If my hot sauce isn't blinding the person next to me, it'd too mild. One thing I miss about not being in the US is Taco Bell fire sauce, I'd put about 5 or 6 on a soft taco, oh man... I'd try for more but then it's just messy, but a beef burrito, you can do way more. That's not the hottest, I'm just saying it's something I miss They did have, last time, some kind of other hotter type, but they didn't have it the last time I went before I left again, that sucked.

@scottalanmiller I think @guyinpv should give that one a shot.

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@nadnerB said in Non-IT News Thread:

One for @RojoLoco

Perth's first adults-only burger comes with a legal waiver that precludes diners with a pre-existing stomach or heart condition – and insists you have someone drive you home.
...
The Canning Vale owner of the American-style Johnny's Burger Joint holds a monthly eating challenge where contenders with fire-resistant stomachs can take on the seemingly innocent-looking double cheese burger that packs a wallop so serious it could put the unwary in hospital.
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"One man finished it, but he left with the shakes and shivers and had to take the next day off work," Mr Wong said.

Rather hot sauce: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/canning-vale-adultsonly-burger-comes-with-a-health-warning-and-a-legal-waiver-20160511-gosx2q.html?eid=email:nnn-13omn652-ret_newsl-membereng:nnn-04%2F11%2F2013-news_am-dom-news-nnn-watoday-u&campaign_code=13INO006&promote_channel=edmail&mbnr=NTg4NTMxNQ

I'm in!

Oh yeah, hotter the better. If my hot sauce isn't blinding the person next to me, it'd too mild. One thing I miss about not being in the US is Taco Bell fire sauce, I'd put about 5 or 6 on a soft taco, oh man... I'd try for more but then it's just messy, but a beef burrito, you can do way more. That's not the hottest, I'm just saying it's something I miss They did have, last time, some kind of other hotter type, but they didn't have it the last time I went before I left again, that sucked.

I'm the weirdo who goes into a restaurant with a bottle of hot sauce in my pocket. And I like your standard of "blinding the person next to me". I do that quite often. In fact, I should be meeting up with a buddy from Chicago at lunch to get some of his sauce (he's intown for a music fest this weekend).

I used to have these tiny bottles of tabasco I got from American MREs which were given to us in Bosnia, which I consider the only real non-weapon benefit I gained from service. I used to take those everywhere and put them on everything. Unfortunately after they ran out it'd be a couple more years before I made my way to America and say they had big bottles of it, I was blown away, and then hotter stuff. Whaaaaaaaaat.

@dafyre said in Alternatives to Windows 10 File Explorer:

@BRRABill said in Alternatives to Windows 10 File Explorer:

@hobbit666 said in Alternatives to Windows 10 File Explorer:

What's wrong with Win10 File Explorer?

Yeah, what's up with that?

Some folks don't like having 50 windows open when doing drag & drop / copy and paste?

I've yet to find one that I consistently come back to -- no matter what OS I'm using... Althought Multicommander is looking kinda nice.

So it's more of an issue with Explorer's file navigation in general rather than an issue specific to Windows 10? Because that's sort of the inference from what OP wrote.

@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

WOOOOHOOOOOO!!!! Headed to the beach in just 2 hours!!!!!! And there is a lovely lady waiting on my arrival....

Going to meet, ... my mom?

@dafyre said in Alternatives to Windows 10 File Explorer:

@wrx7m said in Alternatives to Windows 10 File Explorer:

@dafyre said in Alternatives to Windows 10 File Explorer:

@tonyshowoff said in Alternatives to Windows 10 File Explorer:

@dafyre said in Alternatives to Windows 10 File Explorer:

@BRRABill said in Alternatives to Windows 10 File Explorer:

@hobbit666 said in Alternatives to Windows 10 File Explorer:

What's wrong with Win10 File Explorer?

Yeah, what's up with that?

Some folks don't like having 50 windows open when doing drag & drop / copy and paste?

I've yet to find one that I consistently come back to -- no matter what OS I'm using... Althought Multicommander is looking kinda nice.

So it's more of an issue with Explorer's file navigation in general rather than an issue specific to Windows 10? Because that's sort of the inference from what OP wrote.

Pretty much, yeah. Some folks like using Explorer, other folks like tools like Midnight Commander, et al.

How easy is it to revert to stock Windows explorer after test driving another one?

These are separate apps. You have to run them yourself. They don't take over that I'm aware of.

It certainly could though and may have the option to, because there are API hooks and also, at least I recall in Windows 2000 (may still be true) registry entries to change both the shell (explorer) and the file navigation explorer.

I wrote both shell and file explorer replacements for Windows 98 and also NT 4.0 Workstation and 2000, then I lost interest. I basically was just trying (and succeeded) to force Windows to act like Blackbox when I had to do Windows development.

People need to update their avatars, it's going to just confuse me with the default ones, I look at avatars, not names usually, ... unless I don't recognise it.

Aspects of my life in emoji :flag_ba:

Can't find a programming or too many exwives one.

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

He gets busy and pops in when he gets time.

A person like that lacks the dedication required to really belong to this cult forum.

@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:

relevant to the hot sauce discussion: http://grrlpowercomic.com/archives/192

Pretty much

@art_of_shred said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Just finished packing the van for our trip to LA. I don't foresee the load shifting at all. That would require a slight bending of the laws of physics. The good news is that I was able to jam a futon mattress in on top of everything else, so we'll have a nice makeshift bed to stretch out when not at the wheel on the return drive.

I've got a knack for that kind of thing myself, but remember anyone on the futon will continue to move in the direction of the car if you slam on the breaks (as I'm sure you know, but this is a lead in). Pretty cool setup though, you should take a picture. Whatever you do, don't do this:

@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Got quiet out here all of a sudden. Did everybody go home for the weekend already?

WTF is a weekend?

@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@tonyshowoff said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Got quiet out here all of a sudden. Did everybody go home for the weekend already?

WTF is a weekend?

That thing most folks don't remember between quitting time on Friday and the time the hangover is starting to fade out on Monday?

I'm sorry, I'm still not following... quitting time?

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Weekend of Travel

God damn Scott, you're telling everyone there's no tourists in Chișinău by the time I get there, hopefully the next few months, it's gonna be packed balls to the walls. Knew I shouldn't have left that town up to you.

I do love Moldova though, way more than Romania Western Moldova.

@NattNatt said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

And then to top my week off, I got let go from my job today...no warning, no suspicion of any issues, nothing said to me about things to improve...so yeah, job hunt starts next week I guess...

+1 for emotional support, not because I like that you lost your job. That sucks man

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

Add Thailand to the list of "never to visit places". Nope. Nope. Nope.

Python in Thai toilet gives man nasty shock
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36394819

I went to Thailand once with an aunt, she was going for some business reason I don't recall, anyway, it was neat to see a country that was such a dump it made 90s Bosnia look really nice by comparison; I seriously thought that at the time, and my attitude hasn't changed. India is worse.

@MattSpeller said in Non-IT News Thread:

I farted.

Damn this IPv6 and its smellograms