@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Just ordered Chinese delivery

Same here: AWG26 wires, ESP8266, sensors, GPS and GSM modules...

@tim_g said in AntiVirus on Servers?:

AV on a file server only protects against users stashing malware on there.

Well, my point was simple: If you don't protect your server too, you automatically trust either your clients, your IDS or both, whatever applies. If you put AV on a fileserver, you don't need to worry about proper AV - in terms of malware - on your IDS or clients, you check the files on your own.

For example, if someone's homedrive has malware.exe in it, the AV running on the file server will kill it.

This is file server OS agnostic, and should be on there regardless of OS. Simply being Linux does not protect against this.

You can't count on client OSs to keep fileservers free of malware, so you definitely need it on every fileserver.

OK, you basically wrote the same here

@dafyre said in Fedora Powerloss:

@thwr said in Fedora Powerloss:

@dafyre said in Fedora Powerloss:

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Powerloss:

@dafyre said in Fedora Powerloss:

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Powerloss:

@thwr said in Fedora Powerloss:

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Powerloss:

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@mattbagan said in Fedora Powerloss:

sume, I would need to start over with the vm installs, considering they were in the middle of installing the OS. Host machine is setup with mdadm raid.

check the file system for errors + scrub the raid array if you are paranoid

XFS doesn't even have a filesystem check utility

xfs_check
http://docs.cray.com/books/S-2377-22/html-S-2377-22/z1029470303.html

Does it actually do something? XFS famously does a placebo check.

Yes, it actually does something. It's fixed a couple of systems here for me that wouldn't mount a data drive.

Interesting. With XFS?

Yepp. I know the system is XFS. I'm trying to get connected to it now, but it lost it's AD connection and I don't have a local login on it, lol.

Can't you boot the machine using some LiveCD and alter the PAM order / add pam_unix/pam_localuser? You could also change root's password this way. This only works if the drive is not encrypted or you have the key.

Yeah, I could do that, but I like my job, lol. In an emergency that's what we do, but this isn't an emergency (the system is up, my login isn't working).

If you say so

@dafyre said in Fedora Powerloss:

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Powerloss:

@dafyre said in Fedora Powerloss:

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Powerloss:

@thwr said in Fedora Powerloss:

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Powerloss:

@emad-r said in Fedora Powerloss:

@mattbagan said in Fedora Powerloss:

sume, I would need to start over with the vm installs, considering they were in the middle of installing the OS. Host machine is setup with mdadm raid.

check the file system for errors + scrub the raid array if you are paranoid

XFS doesn't even have a filesystem check utility

xfs_check
http://docs.cray.com/books/S-2377-22/html-S-2377-22/z1029470303.html

Does it actually do something? XFS famously does a placebo check.

Yes, it actually does something. It's fixed a couple of systems here for me that wouldn't mount a data drive.

Interesting. With XFS?

Yepp. I know the system is XFS. I'm trying to get connected to it now, but it lost it's AD connection and I don't have a local login on it, lol.

Can't you boot the machine using some LiveCD and alter the PAM order / add pam_unix/pam_localuser? You could also change root's password this way. This only works if the drive is not encrypted or you have the key.

@scottalanmiller said in AntiVirus on Servers?:

@thwr said in AntiVirus on Servers?:

@scottalanmiller said in AntiVirus on Servers?:

@thwr said in AntiVirus on Servers?:

@scottalanmiller said in AntiVirus on Servers?:

Depends, if it is a Windows file server, I would generally like to have it. Other than that, I normally don't. We rarely run Windows on servers, so that generally solves the problem right there.

And in case of a Linux fileserver? I did that, not a big problem.

ClamAV if you feel the need

Yeah, I know, but would you do it?

Not normally, the end points do it already.

But wouldn't that mean that you actually trust your endpoints?

/me takes cover

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Powerloss:

@thwr said in Fedora Powerloss:

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Powerloss:

@emad-r said in Fedora Powerloss:

@mattbagan said in Fedora Powerloss:

sume, I would need to start over with the vm installs, considering they were in the middle of installing the OS. Host machine is setup with mdadm raid.

check the file system for errors + scrub the raid array if you are paranoid

XFS doesn't even have a filesystem check utility

xfs_check
http://docs.cray.com/books/S-2377-22/html-S-2377-22/z1029470303.html

Does it actually do something? XFS famously does a placebo check.

Honestly, I don't know

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Powerloss:

@emad-r said in Fedora Powerloss:

@mattbagan said in Fedora Powerloss:

sume, I would need to start over with the vm installs, considering they were in the middle of installing the OS. Host machine is setup with mdadm raid.

check the file system for errors + scrub the raid array if you are paranoid

XFS doesn't even have a filesystem check utility

xfs_check
http://docs.cray.com/books/S-2377-22/html-S-2377-22/z1029470303.html

@scottalanmiller said in AntiVirus on Servers?:

@thwr said in AntiVirus on Servers?:

@scottalanmiller said in AntiVirus on Servers?:

Depends, if it is a Windows file server, I would generally like to have it. Other than that, I normally don't. We rarely run Windows on servers, so that generally solves the problem right there.

And in case of a Linux fileserver? I did that, not a big problem.

ClamAV if you feel the need

Yeah, I know, but would you do it?

@scottalanmiller said in AntiVirus on Servers?:

Depends, if it is a Windows file server, I would generally like to have it. Other than that, I normally don't. We rarely run Windows on servers, so that generally solves the problem right there.

And in case of a Linux fileserver? I did that, not a big problem.

@bbigford said in Mail hosting:

Just curious, but why are you going back to in house for your site? There are many good ones out there, it sounds like you're just on one that isn't performing very well for what you need.

I want to avoid the hazzle of selfhosting. Did that for a long time. My current hoster isn't bad, it's just their webspace which is slow at times. I know, I could use CF in front, but that's a workaround, not a fix.

Maybe I'll just choose their smallest package for mails and don't touch the webspace and use a VM for websites.

I don't mind paying a bit. But not $4/box/month.

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@thwr said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

VS is very slow, bloated and limited.

About vs being slow: When did you try it the last time?

Been a while, it was slow and required a slow OS. Just the fact that it requires Windows alone makes it very poor for development. Is any OS worse for it than that?

We used VS a ton this past week, my first time in a while, OMG it was awful. It encourages such bad processes. 30 minutes just to test an app.

Try 2015 / 2017.

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@thwr said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@thwr said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

Here is Microsoft's own C# debugging extension for VS Code. No third party products needed, but they are offered. It's just not added by default to avoid bloat as VSC is used for many languages, so most people don't want all of this in there.

This is the C# module that I use with VSC and see Microsoft's own debugger on the screen, hence why I pointed out using VSC for C# in the first place.

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscode.csharp

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

Here is Microsoft's own C# debugging extension for VS Code. No third party products needed, but they are offered. It's just not added by default to avoid bloat as VSC is used for many languages, so most people don't want all of this in there.

This is the C# module that I use with VSC and see Microsoft's own debugger on the screen, hence why I pointed out using VSC for C# in the first place.

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscode.csharp

You can run Roslin with notepad.exe, if you want. But you won't want that.

Really, Scott, comparing VS Code to VS is like saying that a monitor is a printer. Two different worlds.

I've used both, yes they are very different, but VSC is a vastly more enterprise ready full IDE than people are giving it credit for. VS is very slow, bloated and limited. VSC is light and a very different approach. But it is a full IDE and very powerful.

And yes, you truly compare them because for any business, you have to choose which makes more sense for your business. And even companies doing full time C# have to consider that VSC can be a very viable choice.

I can't agree here. Not at this point in time. Microsoft itself said that VSCode is not meant to replace VS. Apple and oranges, when we talk about .NET development.

Anyway, if VSCode works for you, that's great. It's a good editor. I use it too - but not for C# development

Right, it's not meant to replace it, it's meant to be better Have you tried C# on VSC? It works great from what I can tell. What is it missing for you?

Yup, I did. Even a few times. And it does not meet my requirements.

A "what's not missing" list would be way shorter.

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

VS is very slow, bloated and limited.

About vs being slow: When did you try it the last time?

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@thwr said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

Here is Microsoft's own C# debugging extension for VS Code. No third party products needed, but they are offered. It's just not added by default to avoid bloat as VSC is used for many languages, so most people don't want all of this in there.

This is the C# module that I use with VSC and see Microsoft's own debugger on the screen, hence why I pointed out using VSC for C# in the first place.

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscode.csharp

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

Here is Microsoft's own C# debugging extension for VS Code. No third party products needed, but they are offered. It's just not added by default to avoid bloat as VSC is used for many languages, so most people don't want all of this in there.

This is the C# module that I use with VSC and see Microsoft's own debugger on the screen, hence why I pointed out using VSC for C# in the first place.

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscode.csharp

You can run Roslin with notepad.exe, if you want. But you won't want that.

Really, Scott, comparing VS Code to VS is like saying that a monitor is a printer. Two different worlds.

I've used both, yes they are very different, but VSC is a vastly more enterprise ready full IDE than people are giving it credit for. VS is very slow, bloated and limited. VSC is light and a very different approach. But it is a full IDE and very powerful.

And yes, you truly compare them because for any business, you have to choose which makes more sense for your business. And even companies doing full time C# have to consider that VSC can be a very viable choice.

I can't agree here. Not at this point in time. Microsoft itself said that VSCode is not meant to replace VS. Apple and oranges, when we talk about .NET development.

Anyway, if VSCode works for you, that's great. It's a good editor. I use it too - but not for C# development

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

Here is Microsoft's own C# debugging extension for VS Code. No third party products needed, but they are offered. It's just not added by default to avoid bloat as VSC is used for many languages, so most people don't want all of this in there.

This is the C# module that I use with VSC and see Microsoft's own debugger on the screen, hence why I pointed out using VSC for C# in the first place.

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscode.csharp

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

Here is Microsoft's own C# debugging extension for VS Code. No third party products needed, but they are offered. It's just not added by default to avoid bloat as VSC is used for many languages, so most people don't want all of this in there.

This is the C# module that I use with VSC and see Microsoft's own debugger on the screen, hence why I pointed out using VSC for C# in the first place.

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscode.csharp

You can run Roslin with notepad.exe, if you want. But you won't want that.

Really, Scott, comparing VS Code to VS is like saying that a monitor is a printer. Two different worlds.

@jaredbusch said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

That's exactly why I prefer the more modern VSC and why Atom and Sublime are seen as more "serious" than VS most of the time - full time developers tend to prefer lighter, more flexible coding environments than the big, monolithic, bloated systems like VS or Eclipse. That VS is so focused on one single run time makes it that much worse, very few full time devs can or want to work on a single runtime all the time. Coding is just much more broad than that.

Scripts and structured languages like HTML, yes. I am in VSC all the time myself.

But compiled code requires a development environment that you can do things like debugging in.

^ this

You just don't want to have a simple editor with a little "project management" when you have tens of thousands of codelines in hundreds of files.

That is not bloat. I need to be able to step the the executing application line by line at times to find that weird bug.

For Windows, this is VS. I have no idea what it would be for the Linux ecosystem more than make to compile.

There are many toolchains available, most of them wrap around make, gcc and your editor and debugger of choice. Eclipse, because it's cross platform, is a popular IDE here. Besides of being cross platform, it's something I try to avoid.

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@matteo-nunziati said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

@matteo-nunziati said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

VS Code is basically for web languages. if you want serious compiled languages development on MS you need Visual Studio.

Not at all. VS Code isn't for web at all. It's not focused on web tech, languages, or anything else. Most modern languages use web as a main output, but VS Code has nothing making it lean towards web any more than normal VS does.

What I mean is that even if MS "sells" VSC for any language it is quite a PITA to develop stuff in C++/C/C# in it wrt VS.
I prefer Atom or VSC when developing in python, but when I've to code c++ I move to other stuff.
On MS this stuff is VS.

What's wrong with C# on VSC? I don't do much any more, but I prefer VSC for that over legacy VS still.

VSC is an editor. Basically something like Atom or Sublime. VS is a development environment featuring an integrated compiler and debugger and hundreds of tools and functions.

@scottalanmiller said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

All of us over 30 started on BASIC, almost certainly, and pretty much anyone in the SMB realm who lived through the late 1990s did VB at some point and nearly anyone who went to college did because it is the fallback language that colleges can easily teach by showing the GUI and not teaching any programming so that non-programming professors can fake their way through the classes.... so the exposure rate is high. But as C# is free today, no need for VB.

Actually, I started with BASIC and Pascal at the same time. Learned COBOL and FORTRAN a few months later

Went to ANSI C and Assembler soon after. Today, it's mostly C#, C, a bit Assembler and a good amount of scripting languages.

@flaxking said in IS BASIC programming still in vogue?:

I am currently learning VB6 from a 1998 textbook...

You could talk to a tree for the same effect Not a good idea to start with VB when you want to learn programming