@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

I don't know that you shouldn't include SBC's in those numbers because of how they exclusive operate a full desktop experience and pretty much everything a user could need on a rather extreme budget.

But it is not a traditional desktop by any stretch with a motherboard, cpu, ram and generally speaking expansion modules - PCI, ePCI etc.

He made it abundantly clear he only meant laptops. If it's not a laptop it's not counted. SBC's are not laptops, not all ChromeOS is laptops.

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

And ChromeOS is roughly 30m. And Raspberry Pi is a single computer that was doing 600,000 per month in a slow month. So that's about 7-10m of that one PC alone. That's 37m out of 261m in just those isolated cases. That would be 14.2% right there.
So before we count a single PC built for Linux from parts

You said laptop. ChromeOS isn't only on laptops, raspberry pis aren't laptops. I don't personally know anyone who has built a laptop from parts. You're not even describing the thing you claim to be.

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

Then the question also is... how can anyone gather these metrics?

Then how could you make the statement you did? You've provided no evidence other than speculation.

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@coliver said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@coliver said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

Linux is number one in laptops

Where are you getting your statistics from?

That doesn't include servers and completely ignores Android. You're proving @scottalanmiller's point here. You have to specify a specific market that Windows is a leader in, specifically PC/Laptop. On the whole of the industry Android/Linux is the leader.

If you read what I quoted, i responded to a very specific piece of what he wrote...

Then I linked some stats to show that specific text of his I quoted was wrong, and then asked where he got his info, because I can't find anything to show otherwise of that specific thing I quoted.

Pay attention. Context matters. The quotes help with that.

Yep, you're right missed the quote.

This is great. I see too often people not acknowledging a mistake they make & the discussion ends up a turd fight.
Well done Mr @coliver.

But he wasn't wrong. Even if he missed the quote, because @Obsolesce didn't pay attention the context and did exactly the thing that he was accusing @coliver of having done.

The assumption here is that I said laptops, but didn't mean it. But that @Obsolesce said desktops and did mean it. That his context matters, and mine doesn't.

But he didn't just quote me, he said to check the quote. If you check the quote, it doesn't match what he was responding with.

I've not used Laravel ever so that could be a dumb comment. I have no idea.

Couldn't you just use a rewrite for this? Not at a computer but like

rewrite ^/api /api

I'm missing the obvious reasons. Why is there no where for /api to actually go?

@scottalanmiller said in Formbuilder services for tablet / phone ...:

@stacksofplates said in Formbuilder services for tablet / phone ...:

@scottalanmiller said in Formbuilder services for tablet / phone ...:

Like Books, we can't find a cost effective CPA that will let us use that. And trust me, we tried. We found very few that were willing to use it, and they all charged an arm and a leg to do so. We really want to move to it, but until we are big enough to pressure a firm to do it, we are stuck.

I thought you were using Wave?

That was a LONG time ago. We moved to Xero like five or six years ago, I'd guess. But then three years ago had to move to QB for forensic reasons.

What happened to that Manhattan place you used before? I thought they liked Wave but must have been Xero.

@scottalanmiller said in Formbuilder services for tablet / phone ...:

Like Books, we can't find a cost effective CPA that will let us use that. And trust me, we tried. We found very few that were willing to use it, and they all charged an arm and a leg to do so. We really want to move to it, but until we are big enough to pressure a firm to do it, we are stuck.

I thought you were using Wave?

@JaredBusch said in Mixed HTTPS warnings:

dead

@JaredBusch said in Mixed HTTPS warnings:

@scottalanmiller you still have not fixed it, and now they are dead.

Ah I wondered. I mentioned this somewhere. If you click the logo they are broken but a refresh works.

Edit: I lied. A refresh doesn't work now. Must have been cached or something.

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Then there is the GPU. While the PS4 Pro has a decent GPU, it's still 20% less than this one. There's a reason that this GPU alone costs so much today - it's still above all those consoles in power.
Then there is RAM, 16GB + 4GB instead of 8GB total. Pretty big gap there.

One X has 12 GB of RAM and doesn't have to run Windows. The GPU in the One X is comparable to the RX580 (higher shaders but lower core clock).

Oh yeah, the really new stuff is definitely going to give it a run for the money in hardware for sure.

It's not really new. It's the One X which has been out for a few years. The Series X is the newest and is still only around $500.

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XBox One uses a Jaguar processor, replaced in 2014

Xbox one was release in 2013. One X which is now $350 uses a 6 teraflop Scorpio card.

Right, which is better than mine, but only a little bit, and JUST came out.

ONe X has been out for 3-4 years. Series X is new.

@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

Then there is the GPU. While the PS4 Pro has a decent GPU, it's still 20% less than this one. There's a reason that this GPU alone costs so much today - it's still above all those consoles in power.
Then there is RAM, 16GB + 4GB instead of 8GB total. Pretty big gap there.

One X has 12 GB of RAM and doesn't have to run Windows. The GPU in the One X is comparable to the RX580 (higher shaders but lower core clock).

@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

XBox One uses a Jaguar processor, replaced in 2014

Xbox one was release in 2013. One X which is now $350 uses a 6 teraflop Scorpio card.

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What PC and specs do you use for gaming?

I've got a Dell gaming machine that's about two years old. Ryzen 7 third gen and Radeon GPU. Had to get something better than our six year old gaming laptop as the kids wanted VR.

What GPU?

I'm guessing an RX580 based on the previous post he had about the system.

@JaredBusch said in Proxmox pricing:

@stacksofplates said in Proxmox pricing:

but users on your LAN need a link or some way of knowing it exists

Users of the things running on it do not.

If they're interacting with the hypervisor. Not like windows users. But anyone using the hypervisor would. Should have been a little clearer.

This was discussed somewhere else a long time ago. But same with the Asterisk, XenOrchestra, etc. Any scripts that modify or add to installations needs to be made available. So your script for XO is public, but users on your LAN need a link or some way of knowing it exists (if it changes or modifies anything, I forget if it does or not).

@DustinB3403 said in Proxmox pricing:

@stacksofplates If what you are referring to is this piece of the AGPL license

The GNU Affero General Public License is designed specifically to ensure that, in such cases, the modified source code becomes available to the community. It requires the operator of a network server to provide the source code of the modified version running there to the users of that server. Therefore, public use of a modified version, on a publicly accessible server, gives the public access to the source code of the modified version.

The nag screen changes are already public domain has @JaredBusch pulled them from another website. This also doesn't require that @JaredBusch or anyone else publish the source code they have on their LAN since the LAN is private, only if the source system was publicly hosted would publishing of the source code be required.

In addition to that, one doesn't need to publish the entire source code for their modified version, but only the changes to it. Which has already been done by numerous others.

You still need to publish it for the LAN. That was my point. You need to make it available to any users on your LAN.

Section 13 states:

Notwithstanding any other provision of this License, if you modify the Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users interacting with it remotely through a computer network (if your version supports such interaction) an opportunity to receive the Corresponding Source of your version by providing access to the Corresponding Source

A LAN is a computer network and they are accessing the service through the network. So while your don't need to provide the full source (which I never stated) you do need to provide the changes to the users on the network.

@DustinB3403 said in Proxmox pricing:

Also worth noting, the backup server is GPLv3 licensed, so you could run it without support if you wanted.

ProxMox is AGPL so all of the scripts that anyone creates to disable the nagging screen, etc need to be made available to anyone using the tool on your network. Just a heads up to anyone using it.