@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.

No thank you.

You/She don't have medical insurance? Seems like a personal issue there.

Not covered (a WHOLE different argument there LOL)

You being not covered is entirely on you (especially with The Affordable Care Act)

So, it's now MY fault?

Edit for reference: https://consumerist.com/2016/02/22/164-per-mile-surprise-ambulance-bills-are-a-growing-problem-difficult-to-avoid/
OK, we're done here. Have a nice weekend.

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.

No thank you.

You/She don't have medical insurance? Seems like a personal issue there.

Not covered (a WHOLE different argument there LOL)

AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.

No thank you.

IF you get into an accident that is your fault.

How many accidents have you got into where it is your fault? Some people, that answer is zero...just not for me

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

So in these states that don't require insurance, when someone hits you and causes thousands of dollars of damage, you then have to sue them to get them to pay for repairs?

Seems like a double negative to me.

Na, they just suspend your license until you pay up LOL

RSA 264:3 provides that, after a motor vehicle accident, the director of the Division of Motor Vehicles of the New Hampshire Department of Safety shall suspend the license and registration of the at-fault driver and shall suspend the registration of the owner of the vehicle involved in the accident (the suspension of the registration includes the surrender of one’s license plates). This suspension usually applies until the driver and/or owner have provided security to satisfy any judgment for damages resulting from the accident.

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.

Fair point. Do you understand what I'm saying though? Your reasons for not wanting autonomous cars are just more reasons for needing them.

I completely understand where you are coming from!! It would work great in the inner cities, not for rural areas in both attitude and application.

I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.

Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.

But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.

And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?

Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.

And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?

What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.

You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.

The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.

And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?

The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.

If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.

Maintenance never ends, insurance never ends.

You're pointing out things that makes my argument here.

Insurance does end. Some states, it never starts.

Plus I sell it at the end for $$$.

But if you never need to buy it, then you never have to think about selling it. And in what state does accident insurance end or never start?

New Hampshire doesn't require insurance.

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.

Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.

But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.

And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?

Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.

And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?

What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.

You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.

The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.

And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?

The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.

If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.

Maintenance never ends, insurance never ends.

You're pointing out things that makes my argument here.

Insurance does end. Some states, it never starts.

Plus I sell it at the end for $$$.

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.

Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.

But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.

And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?

Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.

And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?

What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.

You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.

The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.

And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?

The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.

If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Inner cities to get groceries, fine. You get outside that belt and the MANY applications different vehicles get, it wouldn't be able to handle. Plus the thinking like you mentioned is vastly different than in the cities. We love our cars and trucks!!

And I'm telling you right now...If I ever get my Ford F-150 Raptor that Santa has been promising me, I'll NEVER give that up!!

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.

Agree here. Where I live I have to literally take my trash to the transfer station. Something simple and dumb like that would be an issue for a "taxi" service.

But again, why do you think that? A self driving vacuum dump truck could drive around everywhere and collect that. You'd never have to leave home.

So, a car for me to get to work, now a truck so I can get around on snowy days and times when I am working on my yard. NOW I need a dump truck for the garbage? Sounds expensive and impracticable.

I do get it...inner cities, this may work. Get outside the city and the idea collapses.

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.

Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.

But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.

And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?

Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El I'd disagree with you that you have a need for a car, you have a need for transportation / work-tool vehicle.

If you could avoid paying $300-600/month and have Toyota worry about the maintenance of the vehicle (and it cost you pennies in comparison) wouldn't you want to save that money?

No because my guess is it would work like a lease where you cannot do certain things to the car because technically, you don't own it. A simple matter of changing the radio would be a hassle.

Also, and your talking to a car guy, one of the BEST things about owning a car is customization. Even something small like replacing a diverter valve to a full blown blow-off valve just for the noise is fun as all hell!!

But that isn't the goal of driver-less cars. There will always be hobbyist. People who build or customize a car. And it will disappear eventually as people realize that buying a car, new or used is not the smart choice.

Sure you may purchase a used driver-less car to customize, but why? Make the "taxi" company deal with maintaining it. Imagine if you could hire a ferrari for $100/day?

I guess I see it different from you. Not only are there "hobbyists", but there are people who love the freedom of a car. There's really nothing like jumping in whenever you want. And it's YOUR car, not some company's car. I don't even want to get into how bad these cars would be abused because people don't own them (see rentals).

A Ferrari wouldn't work for me here...at least today. Plus at $100 a day needing to get to work would run me $500 a week and some days $600 a week. I'm in IT brother!! I can't afford that!! LOL

The Ferrari example was a bit tongue in cheek in that if you wanted something fun, you'd hire the "limo" (if you get my point)

I got your point.

I can do that one for a onsies or twosies a year, but NEVER for everyday.

@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.

Agree here. Where I live I have to literally take my trash to the transfer station. Something simple and dumb like that would be an issue for a "taxi" service.

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El I'd disagree with you that you have a need for a car, you have a need for transportation / work-tool vehicle.

If you could avoid paying $300-600/month and have Toyota worry about the maintenance of the vehicle (and it cost you pennies in comparison) wouldn't you want to save that money?

No because my guess is it would work like a lease where you cannot do certain things to the car because technically, you don't own it. A simple matter of changing the radio would be a hassle.

Also, and your talking to a car guy, one of the BEST things about owning a car is customization. Even something small like replacing a diverter valve to a full blown blow-off valve just for the noise is fun as all hell!!

But that isn't the goal of driver-less cars. There will always be hobbyist. People who build or customize a car. And it will disappear eventually as people realize that buying a car, new or used is not the smart choice.

Sure you may purchase a used driver-less car to customize, but why? Make the "taxi" company deal with maintaining it. Imagine if you could hire a ferrari for $100/day?

I guess I see it different from you. Not only are there "hobbyists", but there are people who love the freedom of a car. There's really nothing like jumping in whenever you want. And it's YOUR car, not some company's car. I don't even want to get into how bad these cars would be abused because people don't own them (see rentals).

A Ferrari wouldn't work for me here...at least today. Plus at $100 a day needing to get to work would run me $500 a week and some days $600 a week. I'm in IT brother!! I can't afford that!! LOL

@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:

@Son-of-Jor-El I'd disagree with you that you have a need for a car, you have a need for transportation / work-tool vehicle.

If you could avoid paying $300-600/month and have Toyota worry about the maintenance of the vehicle (and it cost you pennies in comparison) wouldn't you want to save that money?

No because my guess is it would work like a lease where you cannot do certain things to the car because technically, you don't own it. A simple matter of changing the radio would be a hassle.

Also, and your talking to a car guy, one of the BEST things about owning a car is customization. Even something small like replacing a diverter valve to a full blown blow-off valve just for the noise is fun as all hell!!

I read some CEO of a company I can't remember that buying cars will stop in 5 years. Not only is that unrealistic, but outrageous. It's the "flyover nation" syndrome with that kind of thinking. Where I live not only do I see a need for a car, but I have a need for a 2nd car (well, a truck) and many people have more than 2. It's simply not realistic in rural areas.

Plus...people LOVE their cars!! That will not go away for a long, long time. If not ever.

Edit: Found the article http://www.businessinsider.com/former-tesla-vp-georg-bauer-autonomy-will-kill-car-ownership-2016-11

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