Ahh, the great wars of KDE v. GNOME.
SuSE used to only use KDE. Zealots out there started to bitch and moan because KDE isn't completely open source. So SuSE started shipping with GNOME as well.
If you believe in certain types of "purity" you would use GNOME. If you don't give a [moderated], use whatever works.
@FiyaFly said:
Could you give me some examples on what administering a proprietary system like that is like?
A PBX is a PBX is a PBX.
Cisco is much more CLI driven which makes for a little harder curve if you are not fluent in Ciscoese.
I work in Avaya and Aspect. They each have different terms versus Cisco and Asterisk when it comes to doing things, but it's easy enough to figure it out. Aspect is a completely different animal though, which requires lots more training to know the subtleties than Avaya, Cisco, or Asterisk.
@Bill-Kindle said:
ML_Defectors?
Wouldn't that be SP_Defectors?
Yeah, one.
A zip != an ISO. 
@JaredBusch said:
Twin Peaks
Looks like a nice place.
Image from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Peaks_(restaurant_chain)
Hey, I was moderated and banned in "The place that shall not be mentioned" because I posted a similar picture.
@scottalanmiller said:
That thing has been shipped around a bit. Could easily be loose memory.
Well why the hell didn't you say so?
D00d, gank and reseat everything!
@Mike-Ralston said:
Never does any of that.
Are you sure it fired up and have you connected your monitor properly?
All else fails, it's like working with any other PC. Gank out any stuff you put in, memory, drives, etc, then try to make it POST again, then add stuff back until it keeps POSTing.
Also try booting up but before hitting the power button hold down the insert key. That should clear the config just in case someone messed it up.
@art_of_shred said:
Is the monitor plugged into a serial port?
That would be a feat. Serial is 9 pins, VGA is 15.
So it goes through POST, says checking RAM and such, then sits after all of that or it never gets to the big giant HP screen splash?
@ajstringham said:
@psx_defector and @dengelhardt took me to Twin Peaks the other night. I had no idea what it was. For some reason, I was thinking Twin Trees which is a very average pizza place in my hometown. It was not what I was expecting...let's just put it that way.
Yeah, by the end of the night he was screaming "I NEED AN ADULT!" while running in circles.
I was gonna write up a big thing about this, but there is a easy [moderated] way to handle this.
Put a switch between the modem and the firewall. Hang another firewall off the switch using the "new" IP. Since you don't plan on the two networks communicating, no point in making things convoluted in your config. That would be easy as hell.
And if you want to be able to talk to ether network locally, just jumper a cable between them and use some quick static routes to frame traffic.
No muss, no fuss.
@Dashrender said:
it will run on anything up to and including Windows 7 x86, but absolutely won't run on x64 anything.
SysWOW64. Welcome to the jungle baby. No way to run 16-bit because SysWOW64 doesn't have a 16-bit compiler.
Use DOSBOX, XP Mode, hell even Vmware will "support" a DOS install.
http://partnerweb.vmware.com/GOSIG/MSDOS_6_22_and_Windows_3_1x.html
@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
UNIX is more proprietary. Linux is basically Unix that a Norwegian named Linus Torvalds took and modified.
UNIX is only an open standard. There is nothing proprietary whatsoever in UNIX.
Bell Labs begs to differ.
True System V UNIX is closed to the core. BSD is "open" but has tight control over the kernel. Linux is GNU open, so it's not proprietary at all.
Linux is not UNIX, even if it looks and feels the same.
We use the standard Cisco softphone. In the past I've used X-Lite because it was light and fast.
@Dashrender said:
Perhaps Pertino isn't intended as a point to point replacement.
No, it is not.
Although I find it fun to attempt to hack it into my needs.
@ajstringham said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I'm not a DEB fan either but GroveSocial is on Ubuntu so we've been working with it recently.
Isn't it generally considered that debian based systems are for consumers and rpm based systems for business? That's what I always tend to see. Anything applied to business practices always uses RPMs. FWIW
Not really, it's that RedHat and it's subsequent distros have larger support groups, both historically and currently, than Debian. As a consequence, RPM and YUM are de-facto standards. Ubuntu was built around the consumer theory hence why it's got so many consumer friendly services like GNOME.
It's not that Debian or Fedora or any other fork in the kernel is better or worse, it's just one of the usual schisms that evolves in a non-centralized non-directionalized distribution. Once again, like vi, it's not used for any specific reason other than zealotry.
Real men compile from source.
@scottalanmiller said:
Hmmm. Will they port windows 8 to ARM then or are they giving up already?
They gave up on it once, what makes you think they won't again?
I might be able to do something with the RPM. I'm just not big on Debian distros. My initial messing around with a psudeo point to point in Windows failed miserably. It wouldn't do much without performing a bunch of crazy local routes.
Of course, compiling from source would make my life easier.
