@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Central Management options are in beta, so if you decide to go that route, you'll have central management very soon.

I was informed about Centralized Mgmt, and seems they are planning to commercialize the Free Edition too by next year, so after setting up 100 PCs by thinking it's free and don't want get shocked by commercial price, so I wanted to go with other commercial software for backup.

No way are they commercializing the free version. Where did you hear that? That's not a good reason to not do this at all. There is no way that they would pull that stunt, and if you fear that you will fear it from any vendor, so you can't use any free product. Then you are stuck using paid... and are still in the same boat. So logically, avoiding the right product today because it might not be the right product tomorrow is a worthless logical exercise because the only possible result is to use nothing.

I guess from online chat or on phone call, I asked them directly, if there is any plans for commercializing Free edition, he said yes, not sure he have good idea about that.

I think that that is a misunderstanding. It's very public that they have a commercialization of the free edition, but the free edition isn't going away. They are just making ANOTHER version, that is based on the free version, that has central management. That one is not free. They've already announced that and put it in beta. I'm 99.99% confident that you just misunderstood what they meant by commercializing the free version, they didn't mean getting rid of it. They have commercial add ons that are additional.

Okay, that would be great, if my information is wrong. Also only Central Management should not be that much expensive compared to other vendors on overall.

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

If Veeam did do the unthinkable step of charging for this free, unlimited product.... then you just switch to something else at that time. Not a big deal. There really is no real risk.

As you said, because of changes don't miss good one, so according to you VEP is good one ? but as earlier you mentioned, good to have PC -> Backup Server -> NAS, so I think this one not available for Veeam on Physical Machines, right ?

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

If Veeam did do the unthinkable step of charging for this free, unlimited product.... then you just switch to something else at that time. Not a big deal. There really is no real risk.

I am thinking to have one time setup instead switching from one to another.

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Central Management options are in beta, so if you decide to go that route, you'll have central management very soon.

I was informed about Centralized Mgmt, and seems they are planning to commercialize the Free Edition too by next year, so after setting up 100 PCs by thinking it's free and don't want get shocked by commercial price, so I wanted to go with other commercial software for backup.

No way are they commercializing the free version. Where did you hear that? That's not a good reason to not do this at all. There is no way that they would pull that stunt, and if you fear that you will fear it from any vendor, so you can't use any free product. Then you are stuck using paid... and are still in the same boat. So logically, avoiding the right product today because it might not be the right product tomorrow is a worthless logical exercise because the only possible result is to use nothing.

I guess from online chat or on phone call, I asked them directly, if there is any plans for commercializing Free edition, he said yes, not sure he have good idea about that.

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They have multiple options for this already. This is getting crazy. Teams, Skype for Business and Yammer all doing the same things.

Just confused about too

Central Management options are in beta, so if you decide to go that route, you'll have central management very soon.

I was informed about Centralized Mgmt, and seems they are planning to commercialize the Free Edition too by next year, so after setting up 100 PCs by thinking it's free and don't want get shocked by commercial price, so I wanted to go with other commercial software for backup.

Snapshots should be local. I can't believe that QNAP has that limitation. But if it really does, just move to Synology or save more money with a SAM-SD and do it that way.

What's this SAM-SD by the way ? As I understand by googling, it's custom self build linux machine for storage purpose ?

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

For desktop backups, you should look at AetherStore as well. Probably cheaper than a NAS, and better protection.

Sure I will have look at.

@JaredBusch said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@crustachio said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Also, to the OP's question... isn't any backup software capabl;e

@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

1. Software that can isolate backup destination to protect from ransom-ware so that PC got infected will not effect backup target.

Isn't any backup software capable of this? As long as your backup storage target has unique permissions that can't be mapped, browsed or written by any domain users, the software you choose is irrelevant.

How does software do that when it is running on the compromised machine?

Using veeam endpoint, I specify creds in the application. It does not connect to the nas with user creds.

Would be great if Veeam can help, but there is no central management with it, so difficult to manage around 100 pcs.

@crustachio said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

The backup destination will be NAS box and we got around 100 PCs.

You must have a backup server in place between the PCs and the NAS in order to have any protection against ransomware, otherwise the ransomware can attack the NAS directly using the same permissions as the backup mechanism on the PCs.

NAS snapshots could mitigate this risk. Just like Exablox advertises Continuous Data Protection (CDP) as a remedy to ransomware - you can go back to any snapshot in 10 second intervals out until your retention policy limit (file level or share level).

Even basic QNAP and Synology boxes offer scheduled snapshots. Not necessarily a replacement for an intermediate backup server, just an option to consider.

I know about this option on QNAP, but unfortunately we need to have another NAS box to configure it (the snapshot cannot be set to in that NAS itself or any External HDD). Not sure about other brands.

So double cost in this case.

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

The backup destination will be NAS box and we got around 100 PCs.

You must have a backup server in place between the PCs and the NAS in order to have any protection against ransomware, otherwise the ransomware can attack the NAS directly using the same permissions as the backup mechanism on the PCs.

I have really no idea about backup server (as I been in smb). I was just thinking of central management (which is a piece of software to monitor and manage centrally), I am not sure if that's the same.

Is that appliances (local/on-premises) coming with backup plans like Unitrends etc is called Backup Server ?

Thanks

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

StorageCraft, Veeam, Unitrends, Datto... lots of options.

I see, most of them you mentioned seems to be for enterprise (we are smb), virtual (we have physical machines only), backup appliance included (which could be expensive than NAS) ?

Dear all,

Looking for backup software for Windows environment with following requirements:

1. Software that can isolate backup destination to protect from ransom-ware so that PC got infected will not effect backup target.

2. Software can take snapshot or system image.

3. Of course schedule backup and data retention option.

4. Centralized Management.

5. Good price, of course:)

The backup destination will be NAS box and we got around 100 PCs.

I prefer perpetual(one time payment) license.

Thanks all !

Dear All,

I am planning for Offsite backup. As of now we have onsite backup in the office on QNAP NAS box. Probably the Offsite backup copy will be in authorized person's house, so I will require to use Internet and I believe we can do it easily with some NAS box in market.

Queries:

1. Is that secure to use this type of connection ?( through internet) since there are dangerous virus like Cryptolock, so it could be dangerous if Offsite backup device is always connected. Need to protect offsite backup with any possible risks.
2. Probably QNAP will have some easier solution for this offsite (not replication).
3. Maybe once in week or month will be fine backups will be fine ?

Thanks.