@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

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@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@IRJ said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

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@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

But admins head closer to $500K.

Where?

You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.

Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.

These are true facts, but this mixes things together in a misleadingly suggestive way. I was a CIO or similar on Wall Street. But that only explains why I have such broad insight into what different roles get there. I was also a true admin and engineer there.

CIOs make way, way more than this up there. You word this in such a way to make it sound like you believe that it was me not being an admin, but rather a CIO, and to explain my salary that way. But that's wrong. And we aren't talking about me, but jobs in general. All of your implications here are completely wrong.

My CIO offer was in the millions, not the hundreds of thousands. And I hired admins, lots of them, at this prices. Real admins. And I worked as an admin and I'm using the admin salary, not some other salary, when I talk about admins. And I still, to this day, am used as a salary advisor for hedge funds who call me and I help to set their hiring prices. So I think you tend to mislead in how you present this. I'm part of the hiring manager teams, still today, who determine these salaries. So when I say $450K is what we intend to hire at as a mid-point for a position category, I mean it.

How could you turn down that job? lol

Lawsuits from other banks. It wasn't just good money, which is obviously a factor, duh, but it was an amazing team, private flights, my own offices and staff in NYC, Zurich, and France, a junior CIO to support me off hours in Singapore, HK and Tokyo that would report to me, a budget of billions... it was amazing on the tech side and the human side. It was also a "move into the office and work non-stop" position with crazy stress, but brilliant, amazing people. Best interview I've ever been to, best offer I ever got.

I would assume that would be a one or two year gig max, but damn would you have had some nice money and a hell of a resume after that. I would have tried to stick it out at least a year or two.

While it was a very specific "help this bank change direction" position, my feeling was not a 1-2 year gig. It might not have been a really long term one, but I think 5+ years was likely. This was a team that put in some insane effort trying to find the right match for them and there was a lot of "fits the culture" concerns that you rarely have with a 1-2 year situation. We were all looking at it as hopefully longer than that.

You didn't have to work a full 5 years. I've seen one or two year retention at most. I don't know if I've even seen two year tbh.

Even with retention, you could always pay some of the bonus back if you leave early

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@IRJ said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

But admins head closer to $500K.

Where?

You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.

Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.

These are true facts, but this mixes things together in a misleadingly suggestive way. I was a CIO or similar on Wall Street. But that only explains why I have such broad insight into what different roles get there. I was also a true admin and engineer there.

CIOs make way, way more than this up there. You word this in such a way to make it sound like you believe that it was me not being an admin, but rather a CIO, and to explain my salary that way. But that's wrong. And we aren't talking about me, but jobs in general. All of your implications here are completely wrong.

My CIO offer was in the millions, not the hundreds of thousands. And I hired admins, lots of them, at this prices. Real admins. And I worked as an admin and I'm using the admin salary, not some other salary, when I talk about admins. And I still, to this day, am used as a salary advisor for hedge funds who call me and I help to set their hiring prices. So I think you tend to mislead in how you present this. I'm part of the hiring manager teams, still today, who determine these salaries. So when I say $450K is what we intend to hire at as a mid-point for a position category, I mean it.

How could you turn down that job? lol

Lawsuits from other banks. It wasn't just good money, which is obviously a factor, duh, but it was an amazing team, private flights, my own offices and staff in NYC, Zurich, and France, a junior CIO to support me off hours in Singapore, HK and Tokyo that would report to me, a budget of billions... it was amazing on the tech side and the human side. It was also a "move into the office and work non-stop" position with crazy stress, but brilliant, amazing people. Best interview I've ever been to, best offer I ever got.

I would assume that would be a one or two year gig max, but damn would you have had some nice money and a hell of a resume after that. I would have tried to stick it out at least a year or two.

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

But admins head closer to $500K.

Where?

You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.

Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.

These are true facts, but this mixes things together in a misleadingly suggestive way. I was a CIO or similar on Wall Street. But that only explains why I have such broad insight into what different roles get there. I was also a true admin and engineer there.

CIOs make way, way more than this up there. You word this in such a way to make it sound like you believe that it was me not being an admin, but rather a CIO, and to explain my salary that way. But that's wrong. And we aren't talking about me, but jobs in general. All of your implications here are completely wrong.

My CIO offer was in the millions, not the hundreds of thousands. And I hired admins, lots of them, at this prices. Real admins. And I worked as an admin and I'm using the admin salary, not some other salary, when I talk about admins. And I still, to this day, am used as a salary advisor for hedge funds who call me and I help to set their hiring prices. So I think you tend to mislead in how you present this. I'm part of the hiring manager teams, still today, who determine these salaries. So when I say $450K is what we intend to hire at as a mid-point for a position category, I mean it.

How could you turn down that job? lol

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

But admins head closer to $500K.

Where?

You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.

Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.

Was that at Citi?

@JaredBusch said in Verify authenticity of a text thread from a screenshot ...:

@IRJ said in Verify authenticity of a text thread from a screenshot ...:

@JaredBusch said in Verify authenticity of a text thread from a screenshot ...:

@IRJ said in Verify authenticity of a text thread from a screenshot ...:

Yeah this is honestly either block the number or contact law enforcement. It's not an HR thing, tbh. You cannot get any valid proof.

Company policy could easily make it an HR thing that could cost the other person their job.

Without valid proof?

Proof has nothing to do with if it is an HR thing or not. It is an HR thing if company policy has something about employee behavior between each other that is potentially being violated.

If so, then it is HR's job to deal with things like proof and facts. While doing so, HR can also determine to send it to the authorities even if the recipient does not. Or just keep it as an internal action such as discipline up to termination.

So I create a fake text and get someone else terminated?

Cell companies arent going to turn over texts to HR departments. They would have to get law enforcement involved. So there is basically no way to verify if it is real without getting law enforcement involved.

@JaredBusch said in Verify authenticity of a text thread from a screenshot ...:

@IRJ said in Verify authenticity of a text thread from a screenshot ...:

Yeah this is honestly either block the number or contact law enforcement. It's not an HR thing, tbh. You cannot get any valid proof.

Company policy could easily make it an HR thing that could cost the other person their job.

Without valid proof?

Yeah this is honestly either block the number or contact law enforcement. It's not an HR thing, tbh. You cannot get any valid proof.

@scottalanmiller said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:

@IRJ said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:

@scottalanmiller said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:

@IRJ said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:

Admin roles are also dying with immutable infrastructure and HA. Designing a system that is immutable and highly available isn't expensive or time consuming on the cloud anymore.

But someone is still designing the initial system and someone (maybe the same person) is managing it.

Yeah so you don't have an admin here as you admit. You have an engineer designing the system and replacing the system if there is issues. It's all design and no maintenance. Maintenance is automated during build.

Not in the real world. That's a nice theory, but applies to effectively no one anywhere. In the real world, engineering almost always is a trivial effort that involves almost no time, skill or planning, and all the effort goes into years of administration that deals with that haphazard system.

Its definitely how SaaS providers work nowadays. We'd lose our shirts if we spent money paying people to do busy work admin tasks.

It's expensive and unnecessary in modern IT. I do agree that alot of places aren't doing it right today, but that's rapidly changing. The job market shows this and it's undeniable

@scottalanmiller said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:

@IRJ said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:

Admin roles are also dying with immutable infrastructure and HA. Designing a system that is immutable and highly available isn't expensive or time consuming on the cloud anymore.

But someone is still designing the initial system and someone (maybe the same person) is managing it.

Yeah so you don't have an admin here as you admit. You have an engineer designing the system and replacing the system if there is issues. It's all design and no maintenance. Maintenance is automated during build.

@scottalanmiller said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:

@IRJ said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:

It's the same way in IT. Most people will not start in engineering roles or design roles. We never see these positions as entry level with zero experience.

Same with administration, though. Admins require even more experience and knowledge to not be dangerous.

I'm actually saying that we see zero experience engineers everywhere, every day. It's the most common thing to have engineers have zero idea what's going on so much of the time.

I have never seen a true engineering position that says zero experience required before. I frequent LinkedIn, glassdoor, and other job boards.

Have any you care to share?

Admin roles are also dying with immutable infrastructure and HA. Designing a system that is immutable and highly available isn't expensive or time consuming on the cloud anymore.

The cloud done right is always cheaper than on premise. The key being "done right" hence the shift towards engineers vs admins.

Admins are generally the ones fighting the cloud, because they could be out of the job.

Troubleshooting severs is completely different these days and done after the fact if you even care. Spin up a new VM and move the snapshot of the old one so you can figure out what happened if you care (most of the time you don't).

I think alot of the stuff you are saying is true, but that will always be the case with more senior roles. The contractors building and designing houses dont do the majority of the work. They are responsible, however, for knowing about each task is necessary to build a house. It's also very unlikely that these contractors havent done these jobs themselves before.

It's the same way in IT. Most people will not start in engineering roles or design roles. We never see these positions as entry level with zero experience.

You really can't dig any further than you have already. It is HR's choice to give discipline how they see fit, but this cannot be considered proof in anyway. If there was communications, both parties have means to end/block those communications going forward.

@BraswellJay said in Verify authenticity of a text thread from a screenshot ...:

Our HR director came to me this morning and told me that an employee shared a text with him wherein a different employee made some inappropriate comments. From what I have been told the evidence, which I was not shown, is a picture of a text thread from the accusers phone that shows part of the conversation, including the name / phone number of the alleged perpetrator at the top.

Our HR believes the content to be credible but had asked me if there was any way to verify. I told our HR that with the only evidence being a picture that there was no way to verify with 100% certainty that the text thread was real. That the picture could have been photo shopped or otherwise edited. I should mention that neither of the phones involved are company owned so I have no way that I know of to access records from the cell provider.

Is it possible that I am missing some avenue that could be explored to make this verification? I really don't see how it could be done without the assistance of the cell provider and with the phones not belonging to the company I doubt I would be able to get any information from a carrier.

No

Is someone bumping this thread? I am only seeing old replies from @OBS and nobody else. Yet this thread says there was a reply like 5 minutes ago. Wtf is going on?

@stacksofplates said in Password manager for ordinary users?:

@Obsolesce said in Password manager for ordinary users?:

and it also works on all devices including phones.

Except Linux?

Udemy video training is a well accepted solution. It's not free, but well worth the costs.

@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@IRJ said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@IRJ said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

On hold with RedHat to once again reschedule RHCSA exam.

:angry_face_with_horns:

Initial reschedule was done by RedHat themselves because of t3h Covid, but now the date falls into my on-call week (since that schedule shifted as of last week).

:crying_face:

The test will be taken. Just a matter of when

Oh I know. I was just crying because its inconvenient to reschedule these things and you had to go through it twice.

@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@IRJ said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

On hold with RedHat to once again reschedule RHCSA exam.

:angry_face_with_horns:

Initial reschedule was done by RedHat themselves because of t3h Covid, but now the date falls into my on-call week (since that schedule shifted as of last week).

:crying_face:

@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

On hold with RedHat to once again reschedule RHCSA exam.

:angry_face_with_horns: