The Other Side is not dumb
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@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller I actually know of several companies that offer high-school level internships (I was offered several as a teen myself) stupidly I declined them.
Oh yeah, tons of companies want to do them. A smart company knows that internships are the best way to get the best people before anyone else gets them AND to ensure that they are learning things that matter to your business. But the kids and the schools are rarely interested in letting that happen.
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@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Many of the colleges (at least in rochester) require an internship of some sort, mostly based on the program you're enrolled in.
I know that MCC, Brockport, Empire, RIT and Roberts to do. I doubt that UofR does.
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@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Many of the colleges (at least in rochester) require an internship of some sort, mostly based on the program you're enrolled in.
I know that MCC, Brockport, Empire, RIT and Roberts to do. I doubt that UofR does.
UofR does mandate internships.
I know someone who was chair of a department and she was constantly looking for interns to fill positions. (Because you can't intern from within the same program at UofR)
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@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Many of the colleges (at least in rochester) require an internship of some sort, mostly based on the program you're enrolled in.
I know that MCC, Brockport, Empire, RIT and Roberts to do. I doubt that UofR does.
UofR does mandate internships.
I know someone who was chair of a department and she was constantly looking for interns to fill positions. (Because you can't intern from within the same program at UofR)
Work study or internships? If the college was offering them it was probably work study.
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Internships.
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@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Many of the colleges (at least in rochester) require an internship of some sort, mostly based on the program you're enrolled in.
I know that MCC, Brockport, Empire, RIT and Roberts to do. I doubt that UofR does.
UofR does mandate internships.
I know someone who was chair of a department and she was constantly looking for interns to fill positions. (Because you can't intern from within the same program at UofR)
Interning INSIDE the college? that's not REALLy an intern.
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@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Internships.
Was it at the college? That's work study. Or just a job. You can't intern with a college unless your going to school to be a professor or a janitor.
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@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Internships.
Was it at the college? That's work study. Or just a job. You can't intern with a college unless your going to school to be a professor or a janitor.
From what my friend said, yes, internships inside of the college. The requirements were grades and specific program requirements.
But internships, for the programs the college students were in at the college.
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The big trouble with the internships at campus is every student is trying to get them, limit the amount of travel required etc.
So competition was very strong when they became available.
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@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Internships.
Was it at the college? That's work study. Or just a job. You can't intern with a college unless your going to school to be a professor or a janitor.
From what my friend said, yes, internships inside of the college. The requirements were grades and specific program requirements.
But internships, for the programs the college students were in at the college.
While this may, and I only say MAY, qualify as an internship in a legal sense, in no way does this qualify in the spirit of interning and if I saw this on someone's resume I'd likely just bin it. What programs can the UofR provide internships for?
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@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
The big trouble with the internships at campus is every student is trying to get them...
Trust me, that's NOT the problem with them.
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@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
No, high schools do nothing like this. It is so foreign from American thinking to have high schoolers intern that even offering high school intern programs (NTG does this) gets you zero interns.
I actually landed my first IT job as a result of my Highschool doing this. It even counted as credit towards my HS diploma... I landed a job at Allen-Bradley, which later became part of Rockwell Automation... which makes a lot of the servo control systems and such for Theme Park rides.
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@dafyre said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
No, high schools do nothing like this. It is so foreign from American thinking to have high schoolers intern that even offering high school intern programs (NTG does this) gets you zero interns.
I actually landed my first IT job as a result of my Highschool doing this. It even counted as credit towards my HS diploma... I landed a job at Allen-Bradley, which later became part of Rockwell Automation... which makes a lot of the servo control systems and such for Theme Park rides.
You got HS credit! That's amazing.
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@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Internships.
Was it at the college? That's work study. Or just a job. You can't intern with a college unless your going to school to be a professor or a janitor.
From what my friend said, yes, internships inside of the college. The requirements were grades and specific program requirements.
But internships, for the programs the college students were in at the college.
While this may, and I only say MAY, qualify as an internship in a legal sense, in no way does this qualify in the spirit of interning and if I saw this on someone's resume I'd likely just bin it. What programs can the UofR provide internships for?
Her department was relating to applying for state and federal grants for the college. She's a closer friend to my significant others. So whatever a position like that would fall under, which is all kinds of documentation work, planning, forecasting for monies etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@dafyre said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
No, high schools do nothing like this. It is so foreign from American thinking to have high schoolers intern that even offering high school intern programs (NTG does this) gets you zero interns.
I actually landed my first IT job as a result of my Highschool doing this. It even counted as credit towards my HS diploma... I landed a job at Allen-Bradley, which later became part of Rockwell Automation... which makes a lot of the servo control systems and such for Theme Park rides.
You got HS credit! That's amazing.
Yeah! It was part of a larger program to get kids into the vocational school in the area.
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@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Internships.
Was it at the college? That's work study. Or just a job. You can't intern with a college unless your going to school to be a professor or a janitor.
From what my friend said, yes, internships inside of the college. The requirements were grades and specific program requirements.
But internships, for the programs the college students were in at the college.
While this may, and I only say MAY, qualify as an internship in a legal sense, in no way does this qualify in the spirit of interning and if I saw this on someone's resume I'd likely just bin it. What programs can the UofR provide internships for?
Her department was relating to applying for state and federal grants for the college. She's a closer friend to my significant others. So whatever a position like that would fall under, which is all kinds of documentation work, planning, forecasting for monies etc.
Sounds like work study. Doing work while learning at the college. Similar to interning but doesn't have the real world experience of a full time internship or Coop like RIT does.
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@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@scottalanmiller said in The Other Side is not dumb:
@DustinB3403 said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Internships.
Was it at the college? That's work study. Or just a job. You can't intern with a college unless your going to school to be a professor or a janitor.
From what my friend said, yes, internships inside of the college. The requirements were grades and specific program requirements.
But internships, for the programs the college students were in at the college.
While this may, and I only say MAY, qualify as an internship in a legal sense, in no way does this qualify in the spirit of interning and if I saw this on someone's resume I'd likely just bin it. What programs can the UofR provide internships for?
Her department was relating to applying for state and federal grants for the college. She's a closer friend to my significant others. So whatever a position like that would fall under, which is all kinds of documentation work, planning, forecasting for monies etc.
yeah, work study. Unless they were going to school to be a secretary, that's not an internship. Maybe the UofR has a big secretary school?
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@coliver said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Sounds like work study. Doing work while learning at the college. Similar to interning but doesn't have the real world experience of a full time internship or Coop like RIT does.
Yeah, interning alone should get you a job. An internship is more valuable than a degree. Filing paperwork for a professor for a few bucks is just a minimum wage job in a cushy office. I'll keep this in mind in case any UofR kids claiming to have intern experience cross my desk.
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Don't get me wrong. Work study has a purpose and is useful for students who need it, although we get into the other argument we've gone over far too often, but it doesn't provide the experience, training, or mentoring that an internship should.
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@coliver said in The Other Side is not dumb:
Don't get me wrong. Work study has a purpose and is useful for students who need it, although we get into the other argument we've gone over far too often, but it doesn't provide the experience, training, or mentoring that an internship should.
Work study is just a job. Nothing wrong with jobs. It's lying about said job to try to get career credit for being a pity-employed, minimum wage secretary instead of interning in the field that you are supposed to be getting experience for. It's not even a real job as you are literally paying to have said job, so even calling it a job is questionable.
