XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise
-
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@JaredBusch said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
Wouldn't these scripts have to be written using open code though and licensing? I presume not, but I'm curious as to how... since the scripts are just performing functions that the system is already capable of performing.
Not if they are decoupled scripts, no.
-
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@JaredBusch said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
Wouldn't these scripts have to be written using open code though and licensing? I presume not, but I'm curious as to how... since the scripts are just performing functions that the system is already capable of performing.
Not if they are decoupled scripts, no.
Do you think anyone in the Linux Foundation will create open source versions of said decoupled scripts?
-
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@JaredBusch said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
Wouldn't these scripts have to be written using open code though and licensing? I presume not, but I'm curious as to how... since the scripts are just performing functions that the system is already capable of performing.
Not if they are decoupled scripts, no.
Do you think anyone in the Linux Foundation will create open source versions of said decoupled scripts?
Depends what they are, but not likely. Linux Foundation is focused on Xen, not XenServer, for the most part. And we have to see if Citrix is providing anything of real value. They might be, but I'm not aware of what it is yet.
-
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@JaredBusch said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
Wouldn't these scripts have to be written using open code though and licensing? I presume not, but I'm curious as to how... since the scripts are just performing functions that the system is already capable of performing.
Not if they are decoupled scripts, no.
Do you think anyone in the Linux Foundation will create open source versions of said decoupled scripts?
Depends what they are, but not likely. Linux Foundation is focused on Xen, not XenServer, for the most part. And we have to see if Citrix is providing anything of real value. They might be, but I'm not aware of what it is yet.
If that's the case, then why are we still deploying XenServer and not Xen? I realize that Xen is an add-on on top of say - CentOS, but what am I missing?
-
@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
If that's the case, then why are we still deploying XenServer and not Xen? I realize that Xen is an add-on on top of say - CentOS, but what am I missing?
Xen is a hypervisor, not a product. Like Linux. You can't deploy just the Linux kernel, you need a distro built on top of it. Xen is just a kernel, you need a distro, like XenServer.
-
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
If that's the case, then why are we still deploying XenServer and not Xen? I realize that Xen is an add-on on top of say - CentOS, but what am I missing?
Xen is a hypervisor, not a product. Like Linux. You can't deploy just the Linux kernel, you need a distro built on top of it. Xen is just a kernel, you need a distro, like XenServer.
OK, then is Citrix who is marking XenServer forward?
-
@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
If that's the case, then why are we still deploying XenServer and not Xen? I realize that Xen is an add-on on top of say - CentOS, but what am I missing?
Xen is a hypervisor, not a product. Like Linux. You can't deploy just the Linux kernel, you need a distro built on top of it. Xen is just a kernel, you need a distro, like XenServer.
OK, then is Citrix who is marking XenServer forward?
I don't understand the statement "marking forward."
-
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
If that's the case, then why are we still deploying XenServer and not Xen? I realize that Xen is an add-on on top of say - CentOS, but what am I missing?
Xen is a hypervisor, not a product. Like Linux. You can't deploy just the Linux kernel, you need a distro built on top of it. Xen is just a kernel, you need a distro, like XenServer.
OK, then is Citrix who is marking XenServer forward?
I don't understand the statement "marking forward."
Type-o.
Marching forward.
-
Not really, Citrix supports it like any community member would. They are certainly the most involved. But XenServer is a product of the Linux Foundation. Linux pushes it forward.
-
Didn't you just say they were mostly focused on Xen, not XenServer?
-
@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Didn't you just say they were mostly focused on Xen, not XenServer?
Nope, not in any way. LF handles Xen and XenServer.
Citrix owns XenApp and XenDesktop which are totally unrelated to Xen and XenServer and have nothing to do with virtualization whatsoever.
-
@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Didn't you just say they were mostly focused on Xen, not XenServer?
Okay, I did actually say that. BUT you didn't take it the way that I meant it. I meant that all of the effort goes into the actual product, Xen, not into the APIs around it, XenServer. Xen is the core and where 95% of all of the real development goes.
-
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@JaredBusch said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
Wouldn't these scripts have to be written using open code though and licensing? I presume not, but I'm curious as to how... since the scripts are just performing functions that the system is already capable of performing.
Not if they are decoupled scripts, no.
Do you think anyone in the Linux Foundation will create open source versions of said decoupled scripts?
Depends what they are, but not likely. Linux Foundation is focused on Xen, not XenServer, for the most part. And we have to see if Citrix is providing anything of real value. They might be, but I'm not aware of what it is yet.
Here you said it right here, LF is focused on Xen, not XenServer.
-
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Didn't you just say they were mostly focused on Xen, not XenServer?
Okay, I did actually say that. BUT you didn't take it the way that I meant it. I meant that all of the effort goes into the actual product, Xen, not into the APIs around it, XenServer. Xen is the core and where 95% of all of the real development goes.
LOL - just like you took my PBX for consumers not like I meant it - as a hosted service that consumers would/could buy just like how they can buy O365.
-
nearly all features of XenServer are just features of Xen. Just as tons of features of any Linux distro are from Linux, not from the distro. That's why the focus is on the tech at the core, that's where the interesting andimportant stuff happens most of the time.
