Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced
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@DustinB3403 said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
Hrm I wouldn't be surprised if they did manage to make this board for only a buck, especially if they continue to pay almost nothing in wages to whatever workforce they are going to hire.
Do you know something that we do not about this organization? What is the gripe with their employment track record?
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These are the guys that will be hiring the manufacturing. Not aware of any of them being involved in any manufacturing projects before...
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@DustinB3403 said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
Hrm I wouldn't be surprised if they did manage to make this board for only a buck, especially if they continue to pay almost nothing in wages to whatever workforce they are going to hire.
I was wondering this, but how "hands on" do they need to be in making a board like this? How much can be done by machine etc these days? I presume the soldering would be hand done, but you could do at least one hundred an hour I presume? So say 100, thats $100 an hour that one person brings in, materials are a fraction of that, especially when buying bulk, then electricity/other manufacturing costs...still leaves a decent margin...granted, most will go to the "big bosses" but they could in theory be paid a living wage (plus living wage in Brazil is no doubt lower, not a good thing, as quality of life is worse, but worth noting)...but yeah, it's certainly an "interesting" moral question...
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@scottalanmiller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@DustinB3403 said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
Hrm I wouldn't be surprised if they did manage to make this board for only a buck, especially if they continue to pay almost nothing in wages to whatever workforce they are going to hire.
Do you know something that we do not about this organization? What is the gripe with their employment track record?
I have no gripe with them at all its simply an assumption of the project as a whole.
$1 is literally nothing in terms of even modest economies. So either the parts are super super cheap (pennies) or they are essentially using slave labor.
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@NattNatt said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
I was wondering this, but how "hands on" do they need to be in making a board like this? How much can be done by machine etc these days? I presume the soldering would be hand done, but you could do at least one hundred an hour I presume?
Soldering is definitely robotically handled. Boards like this can be made with no humans in the direct process at all. They are made in insane quantities and everything from the boards to the chips to the soldering is all done automatically. They can even be packaged and shipped automatically.
Back in 2000, we were running single machines in New York that could product 180 of these at a time, all on a single tray. That was a long time ago, I imagine that the cost of doing this stuff is so much lower now.
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@DustinB3403 said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
$1 is literally nothing in terms of even modest economies. So either the parts are super super cheap (pennies) or they are essentially using slave labor.
But we know that the parts are pennies. Why the assumption of low cost labour? It's cheap manufacturing labour, of course, but nearly always made in a high cost economy (normally Taiwan) and since it might be one person per a thousand per hour, assuming you are paying $10/hour they only need to be paid one penny per unit to be paying very decent manufacturing wages.
The CPU is the only part that is worth any money and that's less than $.74.
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@scottalanmiller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@NattNatt said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
I was wondering this, but how "hands on" do they need to be in making a board like this? How much can be done by machine etc these days? I presume the soldering would be hand done, but you could do at least one hundred an hour I presume?
Soldering is definitely robotically handled. Boards like this can be made with no humans in the direct process at all. They are made in insane quantities and everything from the boards to the chips to the soldering is all done automatically. They can even be packaged and shipped automatically.
Back in 2000, we were running single machines in New York that could product 180 of these at a time, all on a single tray. That was a long time ago, I imagine that the cost of doing this stuff is so much lower now.
Ah, wasn't sure how advanced stuff like that was now a days! But yeah, exactly, if thousands can be made per hour, then that seems easy enough to make money (obviously you have to put the initial capital down for the actual machines...but I digress)!
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@NattNatt said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@scottalanmiller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@NattNatt said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
I was wondering this, but how "hands on" do they need to be in making a board like this? How much can be done by machine etc these days? I presume the soldering would be hand done, but you could do at least one hundred an hour I presume?
Soldering is definitely robotically handled. Boards like this can be made with no humans in the direct process at all. They are made in insane quantities and everything from the boards to the chips to the soldering is all done automatically. They can even be packaged and shipped automatically.
Back in 2000, we were running single machines in New York that could product 180 of these at a time, all on a single tray. That was a long time ago, I imagine that the cost of doing this stuff is so much lower now.
Ah, wasn't sure how advanced stuff like that was now a days! But yeah, exactly, if thousands can be made per hour, then that seems easy enough to make money (obviously you have to put the initial capital down for the actual machines...but I digress)!
And they aren't trying to make money, this is a non-profit project.
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If you look at the components, I'd guess you are looking at $.80 to $.85 of material cost in that unit. The CPU is $.74. What does a breadboard cost? Few cents. Then there are a few resistors and stuff, that's way under a penny per component. And the cost of the CPU might decrease as the volume increases.
If we thought that we could pay people at $.01 per board, imagine what we can do at twenty times that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@NattNatt said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@scottalanmiller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@NattNatt said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
I was wondering this, but how "hands on" do they need to be in making a board like this? How much can be done by machine etc these days? I presume the soldering would be hand done, but you could do at least one hundred an hour I presume?
Soldering is definitely robotically handled. Boards like this can be made with no humans in the direct process at all. They are made in insane quantities and everything from the boards to the chips to the soldering is all done automatically. They can even be packaged and shipped automatically.
Back in 2000, we were running single machines in New York that could product 180 of these at a time, all on a single tray. That was a long time ago, I imagine that the cost of doing this stuff is so much lower now.
Ah, wasn't sure how advanced stuff like that was now a days! But yeah, exactly, if thousands can be made per hour, then that seems easy enough to make money (obviously you have to put the initial capital down for the actual machines...but I digress)!
And they aren't trying to make money, this is a non-profit project.
I meant enough money to pay staff etc, sorry should have clarified!
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@NattNatt said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@scottalanmiller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@NattNatt said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@scottalanmiller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@NattNatt said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
I was wondering this, but how "hands on" do they need to be in making a board like this? How much can be done by machine etc these days? I presume the soldering would be hand done, but you could do at least one hundred an hour I presume?
Soldering is definitely robotically handled. Boards like this can be made with no humans in the direct process at all. They are made in insane quantities and everything from the boards to the chips to the soldering is all done automatically. They can even be packaged and shipped automatically.
Back in 2000, we were running single machines in New York that could product 180 of these at a time, all on a single tray. That was a long time ago, I imagine that the cost of doing this stuff is so much lower now.
Ah, wasn't sure how advanced stuff like that was now a days! But yeah, exactly, if thousands can be made per hour, then that seems easy enough to make money (obviously you have to put the initial capital down for the actual machines...but I digress)!
And they aren't trying to make money, this is a non-profit project.
I meant enough money to pay staff etc, sorry should have clarified!
I think that the main staff works for free, too. It's all based on donations, anyway. Only the people in the outsourced manufacturing facility would, I assume, need to be paid.
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Consider that the Raspberry Pi Zero is just $5 for a machine so massively more advanced than this. The $1 machine is an eight bit machine with nothing but a USB connector. The RPZ is a full 64bit machine with loads of connectors, adapters, special stuff. One will be made under donations in a low cost, high volume country while the other is made by a for-profit manufacturer using one of the highest cost countries in the world.
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Such an awesome learning tool! I wish I had one back in the day.
I played with 16F84's, so many wacky things you could do... ahhh good memories....
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Another good option would be doing dead bug / wire wrap with a 555 timer, some led's, a speaker, couple resistors. That'd come to a dollar and you'd learn the fundamentals (like we did back in my school days! Yes, electronics in highschool!)
All depends on what you want the learning outcomes to be
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@MattSpeller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
Another good option would be doing dead bug / wire wrap with a 555 timer, some led's, a speaker, couple resistors. That'd come to a dollar and you'd learn the fundamentals (like we did back in my school days! Yes, electronics in highschool!)
All depends on what you want the learning outcomes to be
My first build project in Electronics used Tubes....
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@gjacobse said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@MattSpeller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
Another good option would be doing dead bug / wire wrap with a 555 timer, some led's, a speaker, couple resistors. That'd come to a dollar and you'd learn the fundamentals (like we did back in my school days! Yes, electronics in highschool!)
All depends on what you want the learning outcomes to be
My first build project in Electronics used Tubes....
0.o
Eeegads you're old
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@MattSpeller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@gjacobse said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
@MattSpeller said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
Another good option would be doing dead bug / wire wrap with a 555 timer, some led's, a speaker, couple resistors. That'd come to a dollar and you'd learn the fundamentals (like we did back in my school days! Yes, electronics in highschool!)
All depends on what you want the learning outcomes to be
My first build project in Electronics used Tubes....
0.o
Eeegads you're old
Speller -,... Watch it.
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@gjacobse lol easy there, wouldn't want your blood pressure to spike
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@NattNatt said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
Ah, wasn't sure how advanced stuff like that was now a days! But yeah, exactly, if thousands can be made per hour, then that seems easy enough to make money (obviously you have to put the initial capital down for the actual machines...but I digress)!
It's pretty much trackable with Moore's Law (yes, I know that it really is supposed to predict, but you can use it broadly to predict technological pricing in general it still works), the problem is that even many IT people tend to view the world as "technology as it stands right this moment is advanced as humanly possible" and/or "I have some unrealistic expectations of far out technology."
Flying cars are the greatest testament to that, but really this is all for the most part predictable, it's not surprising to me, and comments about labour and so forth, well, what exactly will people be assembling? It's not 1965, these are all machine made as stated by @scottalanmiller and mass production means lower prices. Even if individually hand made ones cost more than $1, with increasing production you'll lower the price... on top of the already predictable price drops of technology.
And companies often build technology based on pricing tomorrow, not today, because we know the cost will drop to create it and increase our margins to sell it.
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@tonyshowoff said in Tiny One Dollar Brazilian Hacker Board Project Announced:
And companies often build technology based on pricing tomorrow, not today, because we know the cost will drop to create it and increase our margins to sell it.
Right. If you can "just pull off" squeaking by making this for $1 today, you'll be making it for $.85 next year and reaping big profits because no one is expecting a new model for a few years... it's an 8bit educational machine. You could make the same model for five years or more without a problem.
The Apple ][ was the main product from Apple for something like eight years!! Sure, they tweaked it a bit, but it was basically unchanged in a significant way for like sixteen years, half of those it was the main product. Even once sales slowed way down at the end, it sold for thousands of times more than it cost to manufacture at that point. Today, we could make an Apple ][ for like $2.... most of that being the plastic!
