Two Reports of Lack of IT Talent
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@Bill-Kindle said:
Maybe they should be asking why their hr departments are tossing too many apps then. I would be more than willing to expand my knowledge but every place I send info to tells me I'm unqualified because I don't have a magical Bachelors degree or enough years experience. Its one of the reasons I'm still taking classes, trying to go after some more certs as I have money and time for outside of work, and have to continue settling for what I can get because bills and food.
What kinds of places are throwing out resumes based on a lack of degrees? No one serious does that. Are these little, local firms that aren't doing well? Why would you want to work with people whose key commonality is that they paid off a school to give them credentials rather than being good at what they do?
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@Bill-Kindle said:
Or you get into an interview and tell them how much you need to make and then they sour face and they say its 15-20k less than what you were expecting and proceed to tell you that you don't have enough experience. Had CSC do that to me years ago.
CSC is a staffing firm.
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@scottalanmiller right, and it was for a job at WPAFB here in Dayton.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
@scottalanmiller right, and it was for a job at WPAFB here in Dayton.
But it was the staffing firm refusing to represent you?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Bill-Kindle said:
Maybe they should be asking why their hr departments are tossing too many apps then. I would be more than willing to expand my knowledge but every place I send info to tells me I'm unqualified because I don't have a magical Bachelors degree or enough years experience. Its one of the reasons I'm still taking classes, trying to go after some more certs as I have money and time for outside of work, and have to continue settling for what I can get because bills and food.
What kinds of places are throwing out resumes based on a lack of degrees? No one serious does that. Are these little, local firms that aren't doing well? Why would you want to work with people whose key commonality is that they paid off a school to give them credentials rather than being good at what they do?
I had one get rejected from a profitable outfit that needed a IT manager/admin that rejected me because of no Bachelors degree. They were in the aviation industry, making specialized equipment for enigine transport.
I've applied at hospitals for low end help desk positions just to get a foot in the door, was told the same thing. No Bachelors degree = unqualified. Same thing for a well known insurance company in Van Wert Ohio called Central Mutual. I actually was told I was unqualified by their lead HR manager because......I had no Bachelor's degree and therefore would receive no further consideration. They are doing bad, they consistently are growing at their HQ, where this lower spot was open.
The only jobs I have gotten are ones that bring me in, talk to me and have me do the work or if I didn't get the spot I made it through 2-3 rounds of interviews.
Maybe its just a mindset in Ohio IT I don't know. But its frustrating at times and one of the reasons why I'm thinking my resume is just crap and needs overhauled.
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@scottalanmiller on behalf of the Federal Government and OMB, they were only the middle man. The job was posted on the government website but CSC was the gate keeper so to speak.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
@scottalanmiller on behalf of the Federal Government and OMB, they were only the middle man. The job was posted on the government website but CSC was the gate keeper so to speak.
Ah, well yes, gov't is the lowest common denominator of jobs, especially IT. They require schooling because there is no technical requirements and the jobs mostly exist as kind of a part of the wellfare system and the college experience is even more of that. They see forcing people to go to extra schooling as creating more welfare jobs for professors and other staff. All jobs that are unneeded but those people would be out of work otherwise so they create an entire ecosystem of fake or semi-fake jobs to keep an immense portion of the population employed for no particular reason, just to keep them off of the streets.
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I'm happy with who I'm with now and they treat me well but I'm not able grow much past where I'm at right now unless the IT admin in the UK retires. So I'm always looking for opportunities to expand but I'm either going to have to move or start my own business.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Bill-Kindle said:
Maybe they should be asking why their hr departments are tossing too many apps then. I would be more than willing to expand my knowledge but every place I send info to tells me I'm unqualified because I don't have a magical Bachelors degree or enough years experience. Its one of the reasons I'm still taking classes, trying to go after some more certs as I have money and time for outside of work, and have to continue settling for what I can get because bills and food.
What kinds of places are throwing out resumes based on a lack of degrees? No one serious does that. Are these little, local firms that aren't doing well? Why would you want to work with people whose key commonality is that they paid off a school to give them credentials rather than being good at what they do?
I had one get rejected from a profitable outfit that needed a IT manager/admin that rejected me because of no Bachelors degree. They were in the aviation industry, making specialized equipment for enigine transport.
I've applied at hospitals for low end help desk positions just to get a foot in the door, was told the same thing. No Bachelors degree = unqualified. Same thing for a well known insurance company in Van Wert Ohio called Central Mutual. I actually was told I was unqualified by their lead HR manager because......I had no Bachelor's degree and therefore would receive no further consideration. They are doing bad, they consistently are growing at their HQ, where this lower spot was open.
The only jobs I have gotten are ones that bring me in, talk to me and have me do the work or if I didn't get the spot I made it through 2-3 rounds of interviews.
Maybe its just a mindset in Ohio IT I don't know. But its frustrating at times and one of the reasons why I'm thinking my resume is just crap and needs overhauled.
A lot of it is knowing how to present not having a degree. I make it to big time senior jobs without having a degree and when I got a degree didn't put it on my resume specifically to avoid bad jobs that would waste my time. So I've never looks for a job with a degree on my resume. But going in with "I didn't manage to go to college" or "I'm embarrassed for you if you think college is challeging" attitudes changes everything.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Bill-Kindle said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Bill-Kindle said:
Maybe they should be asking why their hr departments are tossing too many apps then. I would be more than willing to expand my knowledge but every place I send info to tells me I'm unqualified because I don't have a magical Bachelors degree or enough years experience. Its one of the reasons I'm still taking classes, trying to go after some more certs as I have money and time for outside of work, and have to continue settling for what I can get because bills and food.
What kinds of places are throwing out resumes based on a lack of degrees? No one serious does that. Are these little, local firms that aren't doing well? Why would you want to work with people whose key commonality is that they paid off a school to give them credentials rather than being good at what they do?
I had one get rejected from a profitable outfit that needed a IT manager/admin that rejected me because of no Bachelors degree. They were in the aviation industry, making specialized equipment for enigine transport.
I've applied at hospitals for low end help desk positions just to get a foot in the door, was told the same thing. No Bachelors degree = unqualified. Same thing for a well known insurance company in Van Wert Ohio called Central Mutual. I actually was told I was unqualified by their lead HR manager because......I had no Bachelor's degree and therefore would receive no further consideration. They are doing bad, they consistently are growing at their HQ, where this lower spot was open.
The only jobs I have gotten are ones that bring me in, talk to me and have me do the work or if I didn't get the spot I made it through 2-3 rounds of interviews.
Maybe its just a mindset in Ohio IT I don't know. But its frustrating at times and one of the reasons why I'm thinking my resume is just crap and needs overhauled.
A lot of it is knowing how to present not having a degree. I make it to big time senior jobs without having a degree and when I got a degree didn't put it on my resume specifically to avoid bad jobs that would waste my time. So I've never looks for a job with a degree on my resume. But going in with "I didn't manage to go to college" or "I'm embarrassed for you if you think college is challeging" attitudes changes everything.
I'm leaving it off, including certs on the resume I'm redoing. At the moment I can't afford to pay the guy that irj used but I've spent the last couple of days wondering what I can change and how I need to re-approach the whole process.
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Certainly here in the UK, it is very difficult to get into the IT industry without a degree. Which really annoys me, as I don' think a degree is beneficial to IT at all (or at least, my degree wasn't). There's an article on Universities by this blogger that I used to read a lot: http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2010/02/dont-send-your-kids-to-college/ which sums up my feeling about university these days.
It was different when universities in the UK were free (as they were when I got my degree), but now they look terrible value to money to me. I'd be happy if my kids didn't go, but I'm unhappy that it is still difficult to start your career off well without one.
As you get older, and more experienced in the industry, then a degree becomes less and less important. I graduated in Economics in 1994, and that's hardly going to help me get Sharepoint rolled out round here, but I probably wouldn't have got to this point in my career without that degree.
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We had a fairly difficult time finding someone that was properly qualified for a network admin position within our company. We had hundreds of applicants, but very few that were qualified for the position
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@IRJ said:
We had a fairly difficult time finding someone that was properly qualified for a network admin position within our company. We had hundreds of applicants, but very few that were qualified for the position
That's what we keep seeing. Lots of people out of work but most out of work for a reason. Unskilled or "mis" skilled - having skills that are over saturated and lacking the ones needed in the market. Or being in the wrong location and unwilling to relocate.
