Axigen X Released
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@axigen said:
I wonder, how much would be the services that we are taking about from Zimbra. You may know, as I do not! So value is to be observed when looking more in-depth not when skimming an offer.
Everything that you mentioned is available with Zimbra, of course. Why would you be making claims that open source doesn't do those things and selling a product based solely on those claims if you are not even aware that they are available and have been for a very long time?
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@axigen said:
It is your personal choice to label value on skimming techniques.
I asked @aaronstuder why he continued to look at the product wonder where the value was. He has not mentioned ANY discovered value. You popped in and only mentioned false information as value. I would not call this skimming... I'd call this "no reason to continue looking."
If you have deep value, let us know what it is. Don't make it an attack on something you've stated you know nothing about. Instead of attacking open source, tell us where YOU create value.
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller way to avoid question. Does NTG use Office 365 with Exchange? Is Office 365 with Exchange closed source? Why not just use Linux with Zimbra?
I avoided nothing. NTG uses hosted email via O365.
Linux with Zimbra is not hosted, so not even in consideration. As you well know it's software, not a service, so not something we would use. Why are you asking a question when you know it is clearly unrelated to the discussion here? You are trying to confuse people by starting an unrelated conversation with an accusatory tone in the hopes that it will mislead people from the actual question... why did you feel the need to promote this software? What value did you see in it?
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I'm totally unclear why you think a service and software are the same thing.
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I've never said that Axigen was bad, I asked what the value was that I was to be looking for. Instead of an answer, we got solid misdirection.
Does anyone have a reason why this is even worth talking about or not? From the responses, I'm assuming that both @aaronstuder and @axigen don't feel that there is and were hoping that no one was going to ask?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Linux with Zimbra is not hosted, so not even in consideration.
How is it not hosted? You can install Zimbra on a linux hosted VM, just like anything else.....
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Is axigen supposed to be a competitor to O365?
The server side runs on Linux and management / support is provided by Axigen?
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@scottalanmiller said:
You popped in and only mentioned false information as value. I would not call this skimming... I'd call this "no reason to continue looking."
In my opinion, I did not provide any false info.
@scottalanmiller said:
If you have deep value, let us know what it is. Don't make it an attack on something you've stated you know nothing about. Instead of attacking open source, tell us where YOU create value.
I am not attacking open source. Far from me. Please point out where I have done that and I will retract.
Axigen has a very easy way to setup and manage multi-node clusters. Axigen has a high density of users on a single node. Axigen has a modern interface and a easy to use WebAdmin interface. Axigen has a Provisioning API that allows easy integration with various BSS systems.Also I'd note that this initial thread here is not started by us. We were invited by @aaronstuder. I hoped that this would be a constructive conversation.
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Linux with Zimbra is not hosted, so not even in consideration.
How is it not hosted? You can install Zimbra on a linux hosted VM, just like anything else.....
Ah, is the issue that you don't know what hosted / SaaS means. I see.
Downloading software and getting SaaS (a hosted service) are wholly different things. Putting software onto IaaS makes the OS hosted, NOT the software, you are still the host. That would be the issue.
When people talk about hosted applications, that SaaS, and what you have been picturing is never what they mean. Never. A hosted application means that someone hosts it and manages it, not you. You are talking about an application that you still manage on your own system. It's not "on premises" but it is on your own OS. The OS being hosted is a different layer.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Is axigen supposed to be a competitor to O365?
The server side runs on Linux and management / support is provided by Axigen?
No, he's just unclear on the differences between IaaS and SaaS and how people use the term hosted.
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@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You popped in and only mentioned false information as value. I would not call this skimming... I'd call this "no reason to continue looking."
In my opinion, I did not provide any false info.
That's a pretty odd way to try to not take blame. I'm sorry, but that was just bold faced lies.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Is axigen supposed to be a competitor to O365?
The server side runs on Linux and management / support is provided by Axigen?
Axigen does not compete with O356. We are a software company providing a software product that can be used on multiple operating systems by business and service providers alike.
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@axigen said:
I am not attacking open source. Far from me. Please point out where I have done that and I will retract.
Every statement that you implied about it.
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@axigen provides:
- Easy Setup
- Easy Administration
- Support
- Windows and Linux
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@axigen said:
Also I'd note that this initial thread here is not started by us. We were invited by @aaronstuder. I hoped that this would be a constructive conversation.
I appreciate that, but neither he nor you have been constructive. A simple question was asked and zero positive responses, only attacks on people here or on open source as an ideology.
Start by posting some positive information instead of attacks and we can start from there.
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@axigen said:
@DustinB3403 said:
Is axigen supposed to be a competitor to O365?
The server side runs on Linux and management / support is provided by Axigen?
Axigen does not compete with O356. We are a software company providing a software product that can be used on multiple operating systems by business and service providers alike.
So, for example, competing with Exchange, Zimbra, and the like? Software, not services.
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@axigen said:
@DustinB3403 said:
Is axigen supposed to be a competitor to O365?
The server side runs on Linux and management / support is provided by Axigen?
Axigen does not compete with O356. We are a software company providing a software product that can be used on multiple operating systems by business and service providers alike.
So give me some comparatives between Axigen and O365 as so far I'm not seeing to many reasons.
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@aaronstuder said:
@axigen provides:
Easy Setup
Easy Administration
Support
Windows and LinuxOkay, so do lots of email systems. The question would be...
Given that these are available ubiquitously, does it do one or more of these better than most everyone else? Or does it do something additional that everyone else does not do?
Those aren't selling points, really. They are good to have, but give what is on the market does all of that for free, what's the additional benefit? Have you used it personally? If so, why? What did you compare it against?
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@axigen said:
A closed source brings various benefits: Commercial Support (in various levels), Managed Services, On-demand integrations, Professional Services, etc.
Here are the statements to retract. You call these benefits of closed source which means, as there is no other possibility, that open source cannot have them (or they would not be benefits to closed source.) But open source very clearly and obviously has all of these equally. Just look at Red Hat products. Are you claiming that Red Hat has been lying about providing these services and that I am lying about having received them?
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Linux with Zimbra is not hosted, so not even in consideration.
How is it not hosted? You can install Zimbra on a linux hosted VM, just like anything else.....
Do you think that when you get Office 365 that they just give you a download link to Exchange and that they expect you to go to Azure and set up a VM and run Exchange on your own? You can do that with Exchange, but that is called non-hosted Exchange. Hosted Exchange means that MS runs Exchange for you, rather than you doing it yourself.
