Password Complexity, Good or bad?
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Just made it, actually!
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I made the mistake of going to sleep, come back to find a debate about a Florida person who loses 30 minutes of TV, I'm like...how did we get from post 1 to that?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
I made the mistake of going to sleep, come back to find a debate about a Florida person who loses 30 minutes of TV, I'm like...how did we get from post 1 to that?
The magic of the mangoes.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
I made the mistake of going to sleep, come back to find a debate about a Florida person who loses 30 minutes of TV, I'm like...how did we get from post 1 to that?
The magic of the mangoes.
Squirrel!
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@scottalanmiller said:
The point of the whole discussion around .001% loss of service is....
If the change in work requirements force me to...
- Always carry my phone
- Always keep my phone charged
- Buy specific types of phones or be on specific carriers
- Modify my phone plans
- Take calls or texts at times that I am not working
- Protect my phone in a different way that before
- Buy more batteries, chargers, etc.
- Not travel to where my phone doesn't work
Or things like that, what is a .001% of the time thing can have big impacts.
It's like the US government in the 1930s. Sure, they only let cyanide into .01% of the alcohol going into food products. What's the big deal?
Are we mixing two conversations? one about service availability and one about 2FA?
As for your list of requirements, You only need to keep your phone around yourself when you do want to log in.. if you're not attempting to log in, then you don't care if your phone rings or not.. if you don't answer and respond correctly, the logon won't happen.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
Losses are pretty easy to show... it's the amount paid. If you pay $100 and don't get to watch the television that you paid for, it is the amount of the service that is in dispute.
Which is exactly what I said. Their loss was around $0.07. They paid for the whole month. Whether they only watch 30 minutes or 720 hours worth of TV, they paid for the whole month.
This is just simply untrue. You cannot know what they were paying for. You cannot personally determine the histogram of value to the customer. The idea that the value is flat is simply absurd. We know that it is not.
We are in IT. No one should be more aware of this than us. Downtime at night is trivial, downtime during the day is big. The value is not flat.
Television at 3am is often trivial, television on Thursday night at 9PM is big. The value is not flat, you can't even begin to suggest that it would be flat.
The only case, ever, where you could suggest that they lost $.07 is in the one situation where you are assuming that the customer actively watching television 24/7 for the entire month. If you are not assuming that, i don't see how the $.07 can even be suggested.
But of course the seller most definitely can determine value in the service contract.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller said:
This is just simply untrue. You cannot know what they were paying for. You cannot personally determine the histogram of value to the customer. The idea that the value is flat is simply absurd. We know that it is not.
No, that is what they paid for. Until you can purchase minutes of cable TV at a time, you paid for the whole block. You may not use it all, but you paid for the whole thing.
Okay, the did they receive the whole thing? No.
So paid for X. Did not receive X. Should they have to pay at all?
If you look at it as "they paid for the whole thing", then they are owed all their money back as they didn't get the product purchased.
The crazy court shows my wife watches says yes, they should have to pay for what they did receive. Half the work complete, get half the pay.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The point of the whole discussion around .001% loss of service is....
If the change in work requirements force me to...
- Always carry my phone
- Always keep my phone charged
- Buy specific types of phones or be on specific carriers
- Modify my phone plans
- Take calls or texts at times that I am not working
- Protect my phone in a different way that before
- Buy more batteries, chargers, etc.
- Not travel to where my phone doesn't work
Or things like that, what is a .001% of the time thing can have big impacts.
It's like the US government in the 1930s. Sure, they only let cyanide into .01% of the alcohol going into food products. What's the big deal?
Are we mixing two conversations? one about service availability and one about 2FA?
As for your list of requirements, You only need to keep your phone around yourself when you do want to log in.. if you're not attempting to log in, then you don't care if your phone rings or not.. if you don't answer and respond correctly, the logon won't happen.
Okay, I can accept that.
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@Dashrender said:
But of course the seller most definitely can determine value in the service contract.
The seller can limit the recourse, but does not determine the value.
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@Dashrender said:
The crazy court shows my wife watches says yes, they should have to pay for what they did receive. Half the work complete, get half the pay.
That's if we are talking employment. Not providing the deliverable is pretty big.
