Do you backup your cloud servers?
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@wrx7m said:
Is anyone using the applications method for owncloud deployment, or are you all just using a Linux instance and installing owncloud manually?
So a few thoughts on that...
- I would never use any of these application installation methods from any vendor for production.
- Using these methods is great if you just quickly want to fire up an instance, see how it works and see how it performance to test.
- After the threads about how nothing is supported, security is completely misunderstood and ownCloud thinks that we are "way too serious" about their product in the last two hours, you would consider deploying it new?
Jared and I have both stopped recommending them as of an hour ago. We've locked their threads until ownCloud corporate confirms that their rep isn't a saboteur that they have fired recently and NTG already had a talk and management approved leaving ownCloud because we can't trust they anymore.
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@aaronstuder I also noticed the parenthetical beta displayed in the description.
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@aaronstuder said:
Manually because I want CentOS 7
Which is both the "recommended" ownCloud OS and simultaneously "so old it is out of support" and apparently only crazy insecure people use it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
NTG already had a talk and management approved leaving ownCloud because we can't trust they anymore.
What are you moving to? There are no good alternatives.
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@scottalanmiller Are you referring to Owncloud or CentOS 6 being insecure?
NM - I see the answer is, unfortunately, OwnCloud. -
This is some crazy sh!t.
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller Are you referring to Owncloud or CentOS 6 being insecure?
NM - I see the answer is, unfortunately, OwnCloud.Yeah, ownCloud is no longer something I would be confident using. At least not at the moment. We've asked corporate to step in and clarify things. But this is really, really bad for them. I don't see them recovering from this one.
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller said:
NTG already had a talk and management approved leaving ownCloud because we can't trust they anymore.
What are you moving to? There are no good alternatives.
I've used Seafile, and tried out Pydio. They were ok. I haven't tried syncthing or any of the others though.
Seafile seemed to sync super fast.
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ownCloud corporate IS stepping in. Hold tight till tomorrow, I'm trying to get "people in a room" to discuss.
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@scottalanmiller I'll bring some popcorn.
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I'll bring some popcorn.
In the meantime, CentOS 7 works fine but we have lots of questions around "is it supported" and I have a feeling that OpenSuse Tumbleweed will work better.
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I will hang tight until we can get to the bottom of the, "should I even use OwnCloud" debacle.
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@wrx7m said:
I will hang tight until we can get to the bottom of the, "should I even use OwnCloud" debacle.
I put up a CentOS 7 How To a few hours ago. For the moment going to keep working on an OpenSuse one, we will see how things go.
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@scottalanmiller Yeah, thanks. I saw that one then saw this thread.
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Backups are stored in the same datacenter as the original instance on a separate fault tolerant storage system.
https://www.vultr.com/docs/vps-automatic-backups
Not quite the backup I was hoping for
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Different Storage = Good
Same Datacenter = Bad.
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@aaronstuder said:
Backups are stored in the same datacenter as the original instance on a separate fault tolerant storage system.
https://www.vultr.com/docs/vps-automatic-backups
Not quite the backup I was hoping for
What are you hoping for for the price you are paying?
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@JaredBusch storage in a different datacenter, ideally in two datacenters in two different locations.
Amazon S3 can do this affordability right?
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@wrx7m said:
I will hang tight until we can get to the bottom of the, "should I even use OwnCloud" debacle.
Had a very good conversation about an hour ago. They are going to be posting some updates soon, but I definitely have the answer that CentOS 7 is the "most standard" and absolutely supported option.
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@aaronstuder said:
Backups are stored in the same datacenter as the original instance on a separate fault tolerant storage system.
https://www.vultr.com/docs/vps-automatic-backups
Not quite the backup I was hoping for
That's standard for any cloud hosting system. If you want stuff like Amazon S3, you need to work with a provider that HAS systems like that. You can't expect Amazon-like facilities from a Vultr type player. And on Amazon, you have to implement that specially, it isn't the standard.
