Do you backup your cloud servers?
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This is some crazy sh!t.
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller Are you referring to Owncloud or CentOS 6 being insecure?
NM - I see the answer is, unfortunately, OwnCloud.Yeah, ownCloud is no longer something I would be confident using. At least not at the moment. We've asked corporate to step in and clarify things. But this is really, really bad for them. I don't see them recovering from this one.
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller said:
NTG already had a talk and management approved leaving ownCloud because we can't trust they anymore.
What are you moving to? There are no good alternatives.
I've used Seafile, and tried out Pydio. They were ok. I haven't tried syncthing or any of the others though.
Seafile seemed to sync super fast.
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ownCloud corporate IS stepping in. Hold tight till tomorrow, I'm trying to get "people in a room" to discuss.
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@scottalanmiller I'll bring some popcorn.
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I'll bring some popcorn.
In the meantime, CentOS 7 works fine but we have lots of questions around "is it supported" and I have a feeling that OpenSuse Tumbleweed will work better.
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I will hang tight until we can get to the bottom of the, "should I even use OwnCloud" debacle.
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@wrx7m said:
I will hang tight until we can get to the bottom of the, "should I even use OwnCloud" debacle.
I put up a CentOS 7 How To a few hours ago. For the moment going to keep working on an OpenSuse one, we will see how things go.
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@scottalanmiller Yeah, thanks. I saw that one then saw this thread.
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Backups are stored in the same datacenter as the original instance on a separate fault tolerant storage system.
https://www.vultr.com/docs/vps-automatic-backups
Not quite the backup I was hoping for
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Different Storage = Good
Same Datacenter = Bad.
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@aaronstuder said:
Backups are stored in the same datacenter as the original instance on a separate fault tolerant storage system.
https://www.vultr.com/docs/vps-automatic-backups
Not quite the backup I was hoping for
What are you hoping for for the price you are paying?
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@JaredBusch storage in a different datacenter, ideally in two datacenters in two different locations.
Amazon S3 can do this affordability right?
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@wrx7m said:
I will hang tight until we can get to the bottom of the, "should I even use OwnCloud" debacle.
Had a very good conversation about an hour ago. They are going to be posting some updates soon, but I definitely have the answer that CentOS 7 is the "most standard" and absolutely supported option.
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@aaronstuder said:
Backups are stored in the same datacenter as the original instance on a separate fault tolerant storage system.
https://www.vultr.com/docs/vps-automatic-backups
Not quite the backup I was hoping for
That's standard for any cloud hosting system. If you want stuff like Amazon S3, you need to work with a provider that HAS systems like that. You can't expect Amazon-like facilities from a Vultr type player. And on Amazon, you have to implement that specially, it isn't the standard.
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@scottalanmiller it sounded like yesterday you wrote them off? Have you chanced your mind?
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@aaronstuder said:
@JaredBusch storage in a different datacenter, ideally in two datacenters in two different locations.
Amazon S3 can do this affordability right?
Not affordably like Vultr. Is S3 a good value? Yes. Is it cheap, no.
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller it sounded like yesterday you wrote them off? Have you chanced your mind?
Yes, the conversation today was very good. They are definitely addressing our concerns.
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@scottalanmiller According to there website, Amazon S3 Redundancy Storage is about $1.20 for 50GB. What am I missing?
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller According to there website, Amazon S3 Redundancy Storage is about $1.20 for 50GB. What am I missing?
That's the cost per month. There is also the cost on the Vultr side to get the data in and out, and a cost on the Amazon side to get data in and out. The public price of S3 per month is misleading. If you are using S3 to back up AWS, your data never leaves AWS. If Vultr uses it, they pay huge costs.
So if you took a weekly backup of your Vultr SATA node, you could easily more than double the cost of the Vultr node.
