ownCloud warnings



  • Re: ownCloud 9 is Here

    Alright @jospoortvliet, I just ran yum updates on one of my boxes and it updated from 8.2.2 to 8.2.3.

    So tell me why does it say I have no internet? I clearly do as I acess the unit both remotely by DNS and over VPN by direct IP.

    0_1457540984308_upload-94ba8994-ac33-4491-9f18-096597a6a9de



  • Did you open a ticket?
    Have you tried turning it off and on again? 🙂



  • @Breffni-Potter If you look at the thread I branched off from, @jospoortvliet is claiming I need to fix things. But this is a clean, default, yum based CentOS install. I have not even setup SSL on this one yet.



  • @JaredBusch said:

    @Breffni-Potter If you look at the thread I branched off from, @jospoortvliet is claiming I need to fix things. But this is a clean, default, yum based CentOS install. I have not even setup SSL on this one yet.

    But Jared...why have you not opened a ticket 😛

    This was amusing though: "The 'no internet' error, just like many others, does come only when there IS a problem - so are the other warnings"



  • @Breffni-Potter said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @Breffni-Potter If you look at the thread I branched off from, @jospoortvliet is claiming I need to fix things. But this is a clean, default, yum based CentOS install. I have not even setup SSL on this one yet.

    But Jared...why have you not opened a ticket 😛

    This was amusing though: "The 'no internet' error, just like many others, does come only when there IS a problem - so are the other warnings"

    Makes it very hard to take them seriously.



  • Here are the other warnings. I am ignoring the one on SSL as that will be done at the reverse proxy.

    cURL/NSS and PHP are out of date?

    0_1457541718592_2016-03-09 10_40_30-Admin - ownCloud.png

    Not according to the repository.

    [[email protected] ~]# yum install php curl nss
    Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
    Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
     * base: mirrors.usinternet.com
     * epel: mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
     * extras: mirror.ash.fastserv.com
     * updates: mirrors.centos.webair.com
    Package php-5.4.16-36.el7_1.x86_64 already installed and latest version
    Package curl-7.29.0-25.el7.centos.x86_64 already installed and latest version
    Package nss-3.19.1-19.el7_2.x86_64 already installed and latest version
    Nothing to do
    


  • They are correct on PHP. The entire 5.4 family is out of support from PHP.

    http://php.net/supported-versions.php

    It's the problem with LTS operating systems. To have an LTS OS means that the individual tools that it is built from have to be out of support from their own vendors.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    They are correct on PHP. The entire 5.4 family is out of support from PHP.

    http://php.net/supported-versions.php

    It's the problem with LTS operating systems. To have an LTS OS means that the individual tools that it is built from have to be out of support from their own vendors.

    This is what is in the defualt CentOS repo. so then the problem is with the repo.


  • Vendor

    the fact that there's no more up to date CURL/NSS version for your OS doesn't mean the problem has gone away 😉

    Seems like your internet connection is working again? If the error is still there, I looked and it is caused by a problem with the CURL version your PHP is built with. In other words, it is a bug in your distribution which causes this error. ownCloud tries to check if it is connected, it gets an error and thus lets you know that. You'll find the error in your logs. See this github issue.



  • @JaredBusch said:

    This is what is in the defualt CentOS repo. so then the problem is with the repo.

    No, CentOS LTS specifically guarantees this problem. This is an inherent problem with LTS OSes. CentOS guarantees that the PHP that they ship with will never change (major or minor version.) That's their guarantee. It's what their customers demand.

    If you want the repo that has PHP up to date according to PHP, you have to switch to Fedora or your own repo of choice.

    Wanting PHP to be up to date is in conflict with the intent and goals of CentOS.


  • Vendor

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.


  • Vendor

    @scottalanmiller I agree on your stance with regard to LTS, by the way 😉

    I think that the LTS idea is just not really that relevant anymore in 2016. Better upgrade often and in small steps with each perhaps a minor issue to resolve than only break everything once every three years...



  • @jospoortvliet said:

    Seems like your internet connection is working again? If the error is still there, I looked and it is caused by a problem with the CURL version your PHP is built with. In other words, it is a bug in your distribution which causes this error. ownCloud tries to check if it is connected, it gets an error and thus lets you know that. You'll find the error in your logs. See this github issue.

    cURL is testing and failing on a certificate, not on the Internet connection according to what I read there. That would mean that the error is also wrong as it isn't the Internet test that failed. So while you can say that cURL has a bug, the error is blatantly wrong given the error that happens. So while cURL needs to be addressed, this is obviously an ownCloud bug too that needs to be fixed. Bubbling up a false error message is always wrong.



  • @jospoortvliet said:

    @scottalanmiller I agree on your stance with regard to LTS, by the way 😉

    I think that the LTS idea is just not really that relevant anymore in 2016. Better upgrade often and in small steps with each perhaps a minor issue to resolve than only break everything once every three years...

    Which has long been the OpenSuse philosophy. Although with the advent of Leap this past year, they are moving in the other direction towards CentOS's LTS philosophy. Ubuntu remains committed to no LTS and just provides a name to trick those demanding that they have it. It's a nice combination of keeping things up to date and pushing the problems to people insisting on something that doesn't make sense in their ecosystem.

    It's going to take a really long time for most application vendors and large businesses to want to move away from an LTS model, though. It makes application support so much easier.



  • @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    


  • @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.



  • @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9



  • @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.



  • @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.

    The Repo URLs may have changed between 8.x and 9.x?



  • @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.

    This install was built on the 8.2 repo. I would not expect it to update to the 9 repo.
    wget http://download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/8.2/CentOS_7/ce:8.2.repo -O /etc/yum.repos.d/ce:8.2.repo



  • @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.

    This install was built on the 8.2 repo. I would not expect it to update to the 9 repo.
    wget http://download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/8.2/CentOS_7/ce:8.2.repo -O /etc/yum.repos.d/ce:8.2.repo

    You are just trying to get the Errors to go away anyhow, right?



  • @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.

    This install was built on the 8.2 repo. I would not expect it to update to the 9 repo.
    wget http://download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/8.2/CentOS_7/ce:8.2.repo -O /etc/yum.repos.d/ce:8.2.repo

    Ah I see. Mine is using the CE stable repo sorry.



  • @dafyre said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.

    The Repo URLs may have changed between 8.x and 9.x?

    Right, I don't want my systems to do such a major update automagically because I use yum-cron to keep packages up to date.



  • @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    @jospoortvliet I am still waiting on you to answer this...



  • @JaredBusch yeah, Jared is running the very latest of what seems like the recommended platform. How are we ever supposed to be current if the latest is "old and unsupported?"


  • Vendor

    @scottalanmiller said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    Seems like your internet connection is working again? If the error is still there, I looked and it is caused by a problem with the CURL version your PHP is built with. In other words, it is a bug in your distribution which causes this error. ownCloud tries to check if it is connected, it gets an error and thus lets you know that. You'll find the error in your logs. See this github issue.

    cURL is testing and failing on a certificate, not on the Internet connection according to what I read there. That would mean that the error is also wrong as it isn't the Internet test that failed. So while you can say that cURL has a bug, the error is blatantly wrong given the error that happens. So while cURL needs to be addressed, this is obviously an ownCloud bug too that needs to be fixed. Bubbling up a false error message is always wrong.

    True, it'd be nicer to give a warning which accurately reflects the problem. I guess this is low in the stack and can't be detected by ownCloud, or we just didn't get to fixing this part...


  • Vendor

    @JaredBusch said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    @jospoortvliet I am still waiting on you to answer this...

    sorry, I was juggling to many threads and mixing up some. I didn't know what OS you were running, we dropped support for Fedora for example. You run CentOS 7.x, that we provide packages for. And that is all that 'support' means (unless you're paying for a actual support contract with Inc, of course). So if there are problems with a platform we provide packages for - well, we'll warn you about those problems. We can't fix them (your vendor has to) but we warn about them.

    See http://mangolassi.it/topic/8379/owncloud-9-is-here/96 for a longer answer to a similar conversation.



  • At this point, I am not reading the thread as it is so useless. For the record, I have emailed ownCloud corporate to verify that we don't have a disgruntled employee situation on our hands before this conversation continues. I don't want ownCloud being thrown under the boss if this is not actually an ownCloud representative. A good disgruntled employee wanting to do maximum damage would do so in exactly this way. So I am asking that this thread be locked and not unlocked until ownCloud verifies that we have real representation on this thread. So much damage is being done to their reputation that I feel they need to weigh in and verify that this is intentional.



  • I'm working to get some clarification here and appreciate the perspectives on this. While I can't guarantee consensus, hoping to provide some more objective follow-up. Thanks for your patience.



  • @scottalanmiller

    What's the latest??