ASUS gets their butt handed to them by the feds
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@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
I don't use Comcast equipment. I bought my own modem for like $70 and use that. Theirs sucked and you had to pay extra or some nonsense for bridging.
I'm not sure about Comcast - but with Cox use theirs, use yours, doesn't matter, they have full control over the device. You give them a serial number, and there must be carrier level default username and passwords on it because Cox is who manages the thing.
I would personally never use a cable modem/ADSL all in one router device. I just don't want the ISP inside my private network.
So you'd recommend a separate router and modem at home too? Any recommendations other than the Unify stuff mentioned above (not sure how expensive/easy to get hold of they are in the UK?
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@Dashrender That seems insane that every Modem/ Router provider would be creating a custom account that the ISP could use to access a personally owned device..
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@DustinB3403 said:
@Dashrender That seems insane that every Modem/ Router provider would be creating a custom account that the ISP could use to access a personally owned device..
And (from the UK point of view) certainly a legal grey area at best...
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@NattNatt said:
@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
I don't use Comcast equipment. I bought my own modem for like $70 and use that. Theirs sucked and you had to pay extra or some nonsense for bridging.
I'm not sure about Comcast - but with Cox use theirs, use yours, doesn't matter, they have full control over the device. You give them a serial number, and there must be carrier level default username and passwords on it because Cox is who manages the thing.
I would personally never use a cable modem/ADSL all in one router device. I just don't want the ISP inside my private network.
So you'd recommend a separate router and modem at home too? Any recommendations other than the Unify stuff mentioned above (not sure how expensive/easy to get hold of they are in the UK?
As a techie - absolutely I recommend them to be separate. For normal consumers who don't care - nah, they don't care so why should I?
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The cable company in FL had an ONT in the garage. So the fiber went directly in the garage and then you could plug your router into the ONT.
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@Dashrender I wonder if the same account you're mentioning would still be effective with an OS like DD-WRT on these units....
Also what models have you seen that Cox has control over? What kind of access do they have, what are they able to do? If they have access to the modem, what would stop them from accessing the router behind the modem?
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@Dashrender said:
@NattNatt said:
@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
I don't use Comcast equipment. I bought my own modem for like $70 and use that. Theirs sucked and you had to pay extra or some nonsense for bridging.
I'm not sure about Comcast - but with Cox use theirs, use yours, doesn't matter, they have full control over the device. You give them a serial number, and there must be carrier level default username and passwords on it because Cox is who manages the thing.
I would personally never use a cable modem/ADSL all in one router device. I just don't want the ISP inside my private network.
So you'd recommend a separate router and modem at home too? Any recommendations other than the Unify stuff mentioned above (not sure how expensive/easy to get hold of they are in the UK?
As a techie - absolutely I recommend them to be separate. For normal consumers who don't care - nah, they don't care so why should I?
but would it work if I got a modem and simply put that direct behind the All-in-one thing the company sent?
I presume it would but not done much networking stuff on this level... -
@DustinB3403 said:
@Dashrender That seems insane that every Modem/ Router provider would be creating a custom account that the ISP could use to access a personally owned device..
Well, the device manufacturer could do one of three things - 1) create a completely random password for every device and allow ISPs access to the DB 2) create a password based on the serial number, give the algorithm to the ISPs and the ISPs can figure out the passwords themselves 3)use the same usernames and passwords on every single one of them.
Now to provide some level of security - the cable modem could rely on ethernet level access, and not IP level access. This would prevent anyone on the internet from messing with the devices as routers don't route ethernet level packets.
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I think we need someone with experience to weigh in on how this works. From my knowledge they use a DHCP-esque system and do MAC reservations to set addresses. @PSX_Defector may have some inside knowledge though. Certainly TWC hasn't, at least to my knowledge, logged into the modem to set it up. They get the MAC address then plug it into the network.
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@coliver said:
I think we need someone with experience to weigh in on how this works. From my knowledge they use a DHCP-esque system and do MAC reservations to set addresses. @PSX_Defector may have some inside knowledge though.
I thought that's what Comcast does. There is nothing really to access in my modem. It's just a bridge.
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At the same time. I know, from a reliable source, that the local ISP does in fact have a base image for all the DSL and Fiber modems that they install. They have a username and password which a child could figure out.
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@coliver said:
At the same time. I know, from a reliable source, that the local ISP does in fact have a base image for all the DSL and Fiber modems that they install. They have a username and password which a child could figure out.
always, which is why the first thing I ever do with kit is change the admin password, before anything else...
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@coliver said:
At the same time. I know, from a reliable source, that the local ISP does in fact have a base image for all the DSL and Fiber modems that they install. They have a username and password which a child could figure out.
As much as I don't like the big companies, after working for a small one I don't know if I could ever trust one.
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@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
At the same time. I know, from a reliable source, that the local ISP does in fact have a base image for all the DSL and Fiber modems that they install. They have a username and password which a child could figure out.
As much as I don't like the big companies, after working for a small one I don't know if I could ever trust one.
Trust a small company? I don't trust any companies, they're out for themselves, so it's best to be prepared for the worst.
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@NattNatt said:
@DustinB3403 said:
@Dashrender That seems insane that every Modem/ Router provider would be creating a custom account that the ISP could use to access a personally owned device..
And (from the UK point of view) certainly a legal grey area at best...
Well the ISPs in the US certainly didn't like when home routers first came out - I heard grumblings about trying to make it illegal - luckily it never went anywhere.
The ISPs were more missed because two computers (or more) would use more bandwidth, and by using a router they weren't selling you another IP. -
soooo, tl;dr.
Asus should stick to motherboards and graphics cards. Everything else seems kind of second rate. I say that not having used an ROG laptop. -
@NattNatt said:
@DustinB3403 said:
@Dashrender That seems insane that every Modem/ Router provider would be creating a custom account that the ISP could use to access a personally owned device..
And (from the UK point of view) certainly a legal grey area at best...
Is there a law saying you can't do this? or a TOS with the ISP that doesn't allow it? Wouldn't that same TOS prevent you from using a firewall on your computer itself?
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@DustinB3403 said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
At the same time. I know, from a reliable source, that the local ISP does in fact have a base image for all the DSL and Fiber modems that they install. They have a username and password which a child could figure out.
As much as I don't like the big companies, after working for a small one I don't know if I could ever trust one.
Trust a small company? I don't trust any companies, they're out for themselves, so it's best to be prepared for the worst.
I don't trust the big ones either. But from what I've seen the small ones make such stupid decisions and mistakes that it's worse than the large ones.
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@nadnerB said:
soooo, tl;dr.
Asus should stick to motherboards and graphics cards. Everything else seems kind of second rate. I say that not having used an ROG laptop.I have a laptop and I love it. Not a ROG but it's really nice and well built.
