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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
      last edited by

      This is the exact reason why the migration I'm doing this weekend is going to Hyper-V instead of XenServer. Sure simple yum -update works great for the Linux versions that support it, but XO doesn't at this point. (yeah I know XO isn't an OS, but an app).

      That said, this migration will free up a computer that I will be using to learn XenServer and XO for possible future use.

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      • olivierO
        olivier
        last edited by olivier

        Please keep in mind we are talking here about someone:

        • being on the beta branch to test a feature before the official release
        • on a source install
        • without the updater inside XOA
        • without pro support

        If you got the appliance, nothing to do. Just click on "upgrade" when it's out. So it can compete, but yes, it's not free 🙂

        edit: I have no problem to be compared in terms of pricing even between VEAAM and XOA.

        edit2: being turnkey is the base of our business model 😉

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @olivier
          last edited by

          @olivier said:

          If you got the appliance, nothing to do. Just click on "upgrade" when it's out. So it can compete, but yes, it's not free 🙂

          edit: I have no problem to be compared in terms of pricing even between VEAAM and XOA.

          edit2: being turnkey is the base of our business model 😉

          Great point olivier! While there are free versions of Veeam, the paid version is where I personally would prefer to be because of things like continuous backups, etc.

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          • olivierO
            olivier
            last edited by

            BTW, you got 15 days of Premium trial by default with XOA.

            If you want to test it, that's a good way (and if you finished the trial period, contact me, I'll unlock another 15 days).

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @olivier
              last edited by

              @olivier said:

              Please keep in mind we are talking here about someone:

              • being on the beta branch to test a feature before the official release
              • on a source install
              • without the updater inside XOA
              • without pro support

              If you got the appliance, nothing to do. Just click on "upgrade" when it's out. So it can compete, but yes, it's not free 🙂

              edit: I have no problem to be compared in terms of pricing even between VEAAM and XOA.

              edit2: being turnkey is the base of our business model 😉

              @olivier, I very clearly stated which product I was talking about by specifying XO or XOA or XS. If I used one wrong, please tell me.

              I have no problem with XOA itself, but as I stated if I am going to pay for something, I will pay for the stable product that has been around.

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              • olivierO
                olivier @JaredBusch
                last edited by olivier

                @JaredBusch I'm curious, how much time to be considered as "been around"? You mean maybe more market adoption?

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @olivier
                  last edited by

                  @olivier I believe @JaredBusch means he would be more comfortable using a product that has been around and proven.

                  How he would define that I'm not sure. And I won't try either.

                  But the only way to have a product be around and proven, is if people use XS and then that product.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    @DustinB3403 said:

                    @olivier I believe @JaredBusch means he would be more comfortable using a product that has been around and proven.

                    How he would define that I'm not sure. And I won't try either.

                    But the only way to have a product be around and proven, is if people use XS and then that product.

                    Of course people have to use a product to get it to the point of acceptable stability. The thing is that point is defined differently for everyone.

                    For you, it is obviously far left on the bleeding edge side. For me, as an ITSP that has to be careful of all my billable hours, I lean to the right side of the spectrum.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      Here's a depth of 3 continuous delta backups.

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                      0_1452967662530_XenCenter_2016-01-16_13-05-42.png

                      And a forced start.

                      0_1452967762673_Xen_Orchestra_-_Google_Chrome_2016-01-16_13-08-19.png

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                      • olivierO
                        olivier @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 Please display the content of the vdi folder, that's where it's interesting 😉

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
                          last edited by

                          @JaredBusch I don't disagree not in the least.

                          But with the organization that I'm in, I know the conversation of cost of our backup's would come up and a way to reduce that cost.

                          I've mentioned Veeam and said hey, this is proven, but cost X dollars, and had jaws drop.

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            @JaredBusch I don't disagree not in the least.

                            But with the organization that I'm in, I know the conversation of cost of our backup's would come up and a way to reduce that cost.

                            I've mentioned Veeam and said hey, this is proven, but cost X dollars, and had jaws drop.

                            Did you calculate all your hours working on your chosen solution and added that cost up?

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403 @olivier
                              last edited by

                              @olivier Sorry about that, forgot that one.

                              0_1452967988191_XenCenter_2016-01-16_13-12-45.png

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
                                last edited by

                                @JaredBusch said:

                                @DustinB3403 said:

                                @JaredBusch I don't disagree not in the least.

                                But with the organization that I'm in, I know the conversation of cost of our backup's would come up and a way to reduce that cost.

                                I've mentioned Veeam and said hey, this is proven, but cost X dollars, and had jaws drop.

                                Did you calculate all your hours working on your chosen solution and added that cost up?

                                It's a drop in the bucket compared to what the backup solution would cost for us.

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch
                                  last edited by

                                  I would add that I do have a box by my desk that I will be spinning up XS on (again) and then probably testing out XO and XOA.

                                  I am certainly not against more solutions. I change over time just like technology does.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
                                    last edited by DustinB3403

                                    0_1452968300505_XenCenter_2016-01-16_13-17-31.png

                                    Forcing another backup.

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403
                                      last edited by

                                      And another forced backup.

                                      0_1452968366832_XenCenter_2016-01-16_13-18-57.png

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                        last edited by

                                        @DustinB3403 said:

                                        @JaredBusch I don't disagree not in the least.

                                        But with the organization that I'm in, I know the conversation of cost of our backup's would come up and a way to reduce that cost.

                                        I've mentioned Veeam and said hey, this is proven, but cost X dollars, and had jaws drop.

                                        How many VM hosts do you have to backup? Veeam for small 3 or fewer hosts is like $900/host.

                                        Were they dropping their jaws at that? also, do they care about their data? how much is the data worth? if it isn't 10X or more, I'd be surprised.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          Now on the next force, all of the delta's should "disappear" and get compressed into a single full. If I understand it correctly.

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                                          • olivierO
                                            olivier @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 only the oldest delta!

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