XenServer Backup
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@anonymous said:
So here is my complaint and then I am done bitching. (Well at least about this.)
They offer 2 free versions, and this isn't clear on there website.
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That's what brought them here, we were all confused about that.
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@Dashrender https://xen-orchestra.com/pricing
Yes, for $70/month. Can't afford this personally.
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@Dashrender said:
Question, does the paid one include the ability to backup?
Does anyone see this like VMWare? Most features included, but a critical one isn't to push you to a paid version? lol Not complaining, just observing.
Except it IS all free. All of it. That's the difference.
VMware is almost nothing free. Literally, just about nothing. Both XenServer and Xen Orchestra are both completely free. Every feature.
With XenServer, there isn't even someone to buy more features from. The Linux Foundation doesn't have any sort of sales system.
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No more bitching.... This is how I setup the XO application on a Ubuntu 15.10 VM.
100% functional, 100% free.
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Do we know what distro the appliance runs on? Maybe I should use the same one?
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You can probably look at your XOA and determine that?
@olivier could answer that for us.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Question, does the paid one include the ability to backup?
Does anyone see this like VMWare? Most features included, but a critical one isn't to push you to a paid version? lol Not complaining, just observing.
Except it IS all free. All of it. That's the difference.
VMware is almost nothing free. Literally, just about nothing. Both XenServer and Xen Orchestra are both completely free. Every feature.
With XenServer, there isn't even someone to buy more features from. The Linux Foundation doesn't have any sort of sales system.
Support - and the huge warnings around support are the issue here. When you're running a critical service to your business, the last thing you want to have happen is a failure, and when the boss comes to you and says - so what are you doing to resolve that - you answer, I'm waiting on someone to respond to a forum post I put up.
Is this kind of support often enough, sure. But it may not be enough for everyone.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Question, does the paid one include the ability to backup?
Does anyone see this like VMWare? Most features included, but a critical one isn't to push you to a paid version? lol Not complaining, just observing.
Except it IS all free. All of it. That's the difference.
VMware is almost nothing free. Literally, just about nothing. Both XenServer and Xen Orchestra are both completely free. Every feature.
With XenServer, there isn't even someone to buy more features from. The Linux Foundation doesn't have any sort of sales system.
Support - and the huge warnings around support are the issue here. When you're running a critical service to your business, the last thing you want to have happen is a failure, and when the boss comes to you and says - so what are you doing to resolve that - you answer, I'm waiting on someone to respond to a forum post I put up.
Is this kind of support often enough, sure. But it may not be enough for everyone.
I'm not sure how often XO would be considered critical though. It doesn't do anything outside of management, well unless you are using it for your backups too... then you would probably have issue but still if it were down no one would notice immediately.
On top of that you could easily purchase support for XenServer from several different vendors. Just because the manufacturer doesn't offer support doesn't mean a 3rd party doesn't.
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Hi lads!
Remind me to create my next startup doing only SaaS software and without any public code ^^ (just kidding, I love open source
).@anonymous : I would like to eat at the end of the month, and to do that, I need some income. My team think the same (damn it!
). We are all working on XO every day. We are not Google, we are a small company working only on XO.So we started to target companies and sell them a turnkney solution: XOA, which is the appliance running XO + an easy updater + support on a controlled environment.
But in the same time, because we love Open Source, all XO features are also released on GitHub. That's not the same audience: companies want something working out of the box and support. Individuals are different. And we even took the time to document the installation from the sources ^^ If you don't want to pay, play with the sources
About XOA, it runs on Debian, but it should work on any Linux, even MacOS or Windows!
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Question, does the paid one include the ability to backup?
Does anyone see this like VMWare? Most features included, but a critical one isn't to push you to a paid version? lol Not complaining, just observing.
Except it IS all free. All of it. That's the difference.
VMware is almost nothing free. Literally, just about nothing. Both XenServer and Xen Orchestra are both completely free. Every feature.
With XenServer, there isn't even someone to buy more features from. The Linux Foundation doesn't have any sort of sales system.
Support - and the huge warnings around support are the issue here. When you're running a critical service to your business, the last thing you want to have happen is a failure, and when the boss comes to you and says - so what are you doing to resolve that - you answer, I'm waiting on someone to respond to a forum post I put up.
Is this kind of support often enough, sure. But it may not be enough for everyone.
But you can buy support if you want. You are talking features, not support. Paying for support and paying for features are two different things.
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@coliver Will be more critical feature after feature. When it's only for basic management as an admin, you can just use the Free XOA anyway.
Backups can be more critical, and well, that's exactly the point of Starter
Then you'll have the possibility to use it extensively with other people thanks to ACLs (VM delegation for example), thus it's more critical.
And finally, you can use it at scale, when Premium can deliver the most of its potential.
We got customers with huge need of software support (maybe you know a small entity in US, which is about flying stuff, starting with "F" and finishing by a "A", with another "A" in the middle
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@olivier First of all, thanks for your reply!
Second, I want you to eat too! All I am asking is that you consider making XOA with all the features available for Home Lab use only. This is pretty common in the industry. I know your concerned that if you did that, no one would pay for it anymore, so I suggest you limit it to 1 or 2 (hopefully 2) hosts.
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@anonymous said:
@olivier First of all, thanks for your reply!
Second, I want you to eat too! All I am asking is that you consider making XOA with all the features available for Home Lab use only. This is pretty common in the industry. I know your concerned that if you did that, no one would pay for it anymore, so I suggest you limit it to 1 or 2 (hopefully 2) hosts.
How would he be able to do this, and ensure that he's not getting ripped off?
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@anonymous That's something we discussed a lot here. Limiting to a number of host or VM or whatever will need to spend some times to develop this feature. And because our working bandwidth is not infinite, we prefer to focus on XO features first.
Check the number of contributors on GitHub: we are a VERY small team ^^
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Question, does the paid one include the ability to backup?
Does anyone see this like VMWare? Most features included, but a critical one isn't to push you to a paid version? lol Not complaining, just observing.
Except it IS all free. All of it. That's the difference.
VMware is almost nothing free. Literally, just about nothing. Both XenServer and Xen Orchestra are both completely free. Every feature.
With XenServer, there isn't even someone to buy more features from. The Linux Foundation doesn't have any sort of sales system.
Support - and the huge warnings around support are the issue here. When you're running a critical service to your business, the last thing you want to have happen is a failure, and when the boss comes to you and says - so what are you doing to resolve that - you answer, I'm waiting on someone to respond to a forum post I put up.
Is this kind of support often enough, sure. But it may not be enough for everyone.
But you can buy support if you want. You are talking features, not support. Paying for support and paying for features are two different things.
I agree, the features themselves are all free - but it doesn't appear that way. When you download the free OVA, it doesn't include backup - it says, you want backup, buy the paid version.
Weren't you the one who said that SMBs don't buy support, they buy software. If the vendor is lucky, the buyer will continue to buy support year after year. If not, the vendor got at least one purchase.
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@DustinB3403 By developing the need of a constant connection to our server to check some stuff. Something like that will pop in the next month (to allow a more flexible invoicing on XO usage for a certain kind of customers).
But that's a lot of time just to think to protect the product and not developing features. I prefer releasing cool features first ^^ And you? (talking to the whole topic
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@DustinB3403 The 2 host limit helps, but I guess you right, in a smaller company this could happen....
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@anonymous said:
@olivier First of all, thanks for your reply!
Second, I want you to eat too! All I am asking is that you consider making XOA with all the features available for Home Lab use only. This is pretty common in the industry. I know your concerned that if you did that, no one would pay for it anymore, so I suggest you limit it to 1 or 2 (hopefully 2) hosts.
I too thank you, @olivier, thanks for replying.
I disagree with the above, I don't think you should include backups in the XOA, you should get rid of the free XOA completely. Reduce the offerings down to install from source and the paid version. Additionally, make it hugely known that the differences are only in ease of deployment and support, not features.
You want free - absolutely fine, you have to work a bit for it.
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@Dashrender said:
I too thank you, @olivier, thanks for replying.
I disagree with the above, I don't think you should include backups in the XOA, you should get rid of the free XOA completely. Reduce the offerings down to install from source and the paid version. Additionally, make it hugely known that the differences are only in ease of deployment and support, not features.
You want free - absolutely fine, you have to work a bit for it.
If you can't do what I suggested, I am fully in support of this idea. At least then it is clear
