Mac Mini as OSX Server + GlobalSan iSCSI
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@ntoxicator said:
Windows 10 - hell no. I tell my customers to stay Windows 7 or 8.1 (classic shell) and hold out.
Why wouldn't you recommend Windows 10? It is just an incremental update to Windows 8.1.
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@coliver said:
@ntoxicator said:
Windows 10 - hell no. I tell my customers to stay Windows 7 or 8.1 (classic shell) and hold out.
Why wouldn't you recommend Windows 10? It is just an incremental update to Windows 8.1.
Agreed. So many people are running around with their hair on fire claiming that MS is spying on you with Windows 10. Frankly MS is about the only one TELLING you that they are collecting that data. Google has done this since the beginning, Don't even get me started on Facebook! If you're worried about metadata being collected, you pretty much have to completely disconnect yourself, and even that is not a real and viable solution. I know.. just move to a 3rd world country.
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Its not about the "privacy" issues or concerns. Its about the OS being trash so far. In my experience. I get calls on a weekly basis of customers/residential upgrading to windows 10 and contacting me that now XX is not working or it broke and did not upgrade properly.
Or cases where it upgrades, but the user profile did not get moved over and their data was in another user profile folder and had to be manually moved over.
Furthermore, I do not think its as smooth as windows 8.1 with classic shell
Windows 10 remeinds me of KDE4 - and straight rip of linux theme. Even the new "Settings" area.
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@ntoxicator said:
Its not about the "privacy" issues or concerns. Its about the OS being trash so far. In my experience. I get calls on a weekly basis of customers/residential upgrading to windows 10 and contacting me that now XX is not working or it broke and did not upgrade properly.
Or cases where it upgrades, but the user profile did not get moved over and their data was in another user profile folder and had to be manually moved over.
Furthermore, I do not think its as smooth as windows 8.1 with classic shell
Windows 10 remeinds me of KDE4 - and straight rip of linux theme. Even the new "Settings" area.
Ah you're experience is with upgrades... yep those are going to cause issues no matter what OS you are moving from or to. It is almost universally better to install fresh then to upgrade.
I thought you meant technical reasons as to why you won't deploy it not that you simply don't like the interface.
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Upgrades with MS products have rarely if ever gone well. I definitely discovered that Win 10 upgrades where/are no different.
I tell people to backup their data, make sure they have all of the items they need to reinstall their software (damn I can't wait for a real windows software store, especially for home users), then upgrade, then wipe and reinstall.
I keep hearing that one can choose the OS reset option instead of a full wipe. This supposedly removes all non Windows things and somehow resets all windows components to factory default. This would be a lot easier for a home user than telling them to make a bootable USB stick to reinstall from, but I've never used it. I do the upgrade, then blast an image down.
This is one of those rare situations where I think it's worth the effort for someone to upgrade their OS instead of just buying a new machine, especially if the machine is 3 years or younger.
Unfortunately - if the user can't handle the backup and recovery of their own apps/data, the cost to have someone else do this are often less than buying a new computer - but then the user would have to figure out how to transfer the data and apps anyhow.
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@coliver said:
@ntoxicator said:
Windows 10 - hell no. I tell my customers to stay Windows 7 or 8.1 (classic shell) and hold out.
Why wouldn't you recommend Windows 10? It is just an incremental update to Windows 8.1.
We went 100% Windows 10 something like six months ago and while not perfect, it has been pretty good.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@ntoxicator said:
Windows 10 - hell no. I tell my customers to stay Windows 7 or 8.1 (classic shell) and hold out.
Why wouldn't you recommend Windows 10? It is just an incremental update to Windows 8.1.
We went 100% Windows 10 something like six months ago and while not perfect, it has been pretty good.
Before the official release? or you went right after the official release?
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@ntoxicator said:
Its not about the "privacy" issues or concerns. Its about the OS being trash so far. In my experience. I get calls on a weekly basis of customers/residential upgrading to windows 10 and contacting me that now XX is not working or it broke and did not upgrade properly.
If they performed a Windows 10 upgrade then neither their opinion, experience or Windows 10 setup feedback are really useful
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@ntoxicator said:
Windows 10 - hell no. I tell my customers to stay Windows 7 or 8.1 (classic shell) and hold out.
Why wouldn't you recommend Windows 10? It is just an incremental update to Windows 8.1.
We went 100% Windows 10 something like six months ago and while not perfect, it has been pretty good.
Before the official release? or you went right after the official release?
Before the official release.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@ntoxicator said:
Windows 10 - hell no. I tell my customers to stay Windows 7 or 8.1 (classic shell) and hold out.
Why wouldn't you recommend Windows 10? It is just an incremental update to Windows 8.1.
We went 100% Windows 10 something like six months ago and while not perfect, it has been pretty good.
Before the official release? or you went right after the official release?
We started going before the release. We've been over a year on some devices and 100% of Windows on Windows 10 by several months ago.
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cool - I moved my personal laptop to Windows 10 in the early betas. I've never had an issue. Win10 mobile, that's another story altogether!
Nov 2014 - Bought Lumia 550 for the sole reason of playing with Win 10 mobile beta, The beta was OK
Dec 2014 - beta update was still good, slightly better
Jan 2015 - beta still fine
Feb 2015 - still fine
March 2015 - beta unusable! left the beta never to return. -
Lol getting side tracked here. So much to talk about though! Amazing all the opinions. I just have my own agenda or reservations towards Windows 10. thats all.
I need to look into it from a management perspective though within a Domain network.. That will be fun. As I'm not a big fan of Windows 2012 server either - due to the theme. But over time you get use to it... I'm just 'old school' type of guy I suppose. Granted, I'm not though.
But yes, maybe I over think the solutions, maybe logic gets best of me? I dont know
Just stuck in loop as to a solution for Mac OSX Server and managing those Mac computers & users
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@ntoxicator said:
I need to look into it from a management perspective though within a Domain network.. That will be fun. As I'm not a big fan of Windows 2012 server either - due to the theme. But over time you get use to it... I'm just 'old school' type of guy I suppose. Granted, I'm not though.
Install Server Core and do everything from Powershell. Then you won't have to worry about the theme.
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@ntoxicator said:
I need to look into it from a management perspective though within a Domain network.. That will be fun. As I'm not a big fan of Windows 2012 server either - due to the theme. But over time you get use to it... I'm just 'old school' type of guy I suppose. Granted, I'm not though.
In theory you should never see the theme of a server.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@ntoxicator said:
I need to look into it from a management perspective though within a Domain network.. That will be fun. As I'm not a big fan of Windows 2012 server either - due to the theme. But over time you get use to it... I'm just 'old school' type of guy I suppose. Granted, I'm not though.
In theory you should never see the theme of a server.
RSAT from Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 - problem solved
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@coliver said:
Core and do everything from Pow
Id rather use linux shell than PowerShell. I cannot wrap my head around the syntax. I'm lazy I suppose.
People rave oohhh ahhhh Powershell!! and rolling my eyes. Every time I used PowerShell and the syntax i wanted to drive my fist through the monitor.
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@ntoxicator said:
@coliver said:
Core and do everything from Pow
Id rather use linux shell than PowerShell. I cannot wrap my head around the syntax. I'm lazy I suppose.
People rave oohhh ahhhh Powershell!! and rolling my eyes. Every time I used PowerShell and the syntax i wanted to drive my fist through the monitor.
It takes a bit to get used to sure. But it is a vast improvement over the dos shell/command prompt. Bash and *nix commands still make the most sense to me as well but Powershell is what Windows offers.
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@ntoxicator said:
@coliver said:
Core and do everything from Pow
Id rather use linux shell than PowerShell. I cannot wrap my head around the syntax. I'm lazy I suppose.
People rave oohhh ahhhh Powershell!! and rolling my eyes. Every time I used PowerShell and the syntax i wanted to drive my fist through the monitor.
I'm the same way. BASH is text based, PowerShell is object based and requires all kinds of special knowledge and just looking at the output doesn't tell you what you need. It's super powerful but not user friendly at all unless you work with it constantly.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@ntoxicator said:
I need to look into it from a management perspective though within a Domain network.. That will be fun. As I'm not a big fan of Windows 2012 server either - due to the theme. But over time you get use to it... I'm just 'old school' type of guy I suppose. Granted, I'm not though.
In theory you should never see the theme of a server.
RSAT from Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 - problem solved
Plus the server manager, too.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@ntoxicator said:
I need to look into it from a management perspective though within a Domain network.. That will be fun. As I'm not a big fan of Windows 2012 server either - due to the theme. But over time you get use to it... I'm just 'old school' type of guy I suppose. Granted, I'm not though.
In theory you should never see the theme of a server.
RSAT from Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 - problem solved
Plus the server manager, too.
Is server manager something different from RSAT?
