SOHO and SMB Cloud Storage Recommendations
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Salesforce.com does not put user limits on their pricing but charges a fortune more per user in tiers that would be needed for enterprises to use their service. Easily going to 5x the price an SMB would pay. Sometimes it is done through practical limitations rather than hard limits, which is often better as it uses factors that really matter a little better but the result is the same.
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I know that with accounting packages and similar that @Minion-Queen auditions we often find software that is super cheap - until we start adding users and because of our size we often get huge per user penalties that make products not make sense because they scale up in cost non-linearly.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Er...I don't think you have?
You provided the pricing of how Atlassian's prices go up as you get bigger.
Er, no, I provided the pricing of how Altassian's prices go down as you get bigger - from $6 per user at 100 users DOWN to $2 per user at 500 users. GitHub charge per number of private repositories and the more you have the cheaper it gets, so effectively the more users the cheaper it is.
You haven't provided any examples.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Er, no, I provided the pricing of how Altassian's prices go down as you get bigger - from $6 per user at 100 users DOWN to $2 per user at 500 users.
You said $2 for 50, not 500. And I mentioned that you left off the $1 for 10.
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If you look at their full pricing structure you will see that for the tiny companies it is cheap and gets higher as you get to large businesses and then when you hit enterprise it drops - EXACTLY like Microsoft's Office 365...
https://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/pricing
Start lowest, go to the highest for larger medium sized companies, and then go down for enterprises. It's a bell curve. How is this any different than MS except that MS doesn't publicly disclose their EA prices?
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My bad, sorry.
But ignore the 10 user pricing as I said "And I don't mean examples where 10 users or less are dirt cheap or free."
So you can scrub Salesforce off your list of examples as well as they only provide special pricing for 5 users.
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Providing special pricing for 10 users or less is NOTHING like Microsoft doing it for 300 users.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
So you can scrub Salesforce off your list of examples as well as they only provide special pricing for 5 users.
"Special" pricing, sure, but I described why their pricing was similar with bigger businesses needing to pay much higher rates. Not talking about any special rates.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Providing special pricing for 10 users or less is NOTHING like Microsoft doing it for 300 users.
It's EXACTLY like that. Remember that MS Office is for "everyone." Who doesn't get email in the organization? Atlassian is developer tools, typically only a tiny percentage of your organization, even in an organization that does software development heavily (or even primarily.) A company hitting Atlassians most expensive tiers would typically be larger than the same for Microsoft. It lines up almost perfectly.
And it is not "special" pricing or else Office 365 is too. And that's exactly what Microsoft does - they offer "special pricing" for small businesses willing to accept additional software limitations.
This is extremely industry standard. I have no idea why you feel what MS is doing is unique or uncommon or unlike examples provided or just what you would normally run into every day evaluating software options. This is something I see constantly.
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OK. If you think that providing special pricing for 10 users or less is the same as Microsoft doing it for 300 users or less then we're just going to have to disagree as there are loads of examples of the former.
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For those looking at the prices with Atlassian:
10 Users: $1/U
15 Users: $3.33/U
25 Users: $4/U
50 Users: $4/U
100 Users: $3/U
500 Users: $1/U
2000 Users: $.50/UIf you need more than 2K users you are off their charts and presumably you can call them and work something out but they don't even mention that because 2K users is considered the very top end size - matching the EA of Microsoft's world.
Notice that the prices start low, go up to a peak and work their way down again. Considering only 1% - 10% of an organization would normally use Confluence you can estimate the size of the organizations assumed by adding one or two zeros to the user count. So Atlassian would hit its peak cost around 250 users. Right in lock step with MS.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
OK. If you think that providing special pricing for 10 users or less is the same as Microsoft doing it for 300 users or less then we're just going to have to disagree as there are loads of examples of the former.
When we are talking about tools that are used by only a fraction of the organization, yes. And it continues through their second tier.
There are very few products that you buy that are anything like MS Office where companies of every size use them AND use them for nearly every employee. So you have to compare to other product types like dev tools or accounting tools that do identical cost curves but at a different scale.
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We use Confluence here. Not every employee has access to it, managers generally request access when a user is hired or when there is a need.
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@coliver said:
We use Confluence here. Not every employee has access to it, managers generally request access when a user is hired or when there is a need.
They make great products. I used to work down the street from them and walk past their offices in San Fran on my commute. I've used them at a few shops. In one it was something like only .1% of the organization had access (financial firm) and at the other is was something like 25% (dedicated software dev shop and DevOps using it across engineering and administration.)
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Are you using Atlassian products @scottalanmiller? If so, which ones, and how do you like them?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
We use Confluence here. Not every employee has access to it, managers generally request access when a user is hired or when there is a need.
They make great products. I used to work down the street from them and walk past their offices in San Fran on my commute. I've used them at a few shops. In one it was something like only .1% of the organization had access (financial firm) and at the other is was something like 25% (dedicated software dev shop and DevOps using it across engineering and administration.)
I'm not sure the percentage here... but it is fairly low. Maybe in the 10-15% range. I was just trying to reinforce that not everyone is using this software like O365 or Office. Even if that is the case the pricing is pretty similar.
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@anonymous said:
Are you using Atlassian products @scottalanmiller? If so, which ones, and how do you like them?
I've used Stash, BitBucket, Jira, HipChat and a few others from time to time. They make great stuff but very much assume that you will conform to how they do things.
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@scottalanmiller said:
but very much assume that you will conform to how they do things.
Is that a bad thing, or just something to know?
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JetBrains YouTrack pricing (same percentage of users as Atlassian software, so add one to two zeros to compare to MS Office...)
10 Users: Free Special (Dramatic Drop in Features)
15 Users: $1.33
25 Users: $3
50 Users: $3
100 Users: $3
500 Users: $1
2000 Users: $.50Same general curve with low prices for organizations of around 150 and hitting the peak for the 250 - 1000 range then dropping fast.
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@anonymous said:
Is that a bad thing, or just something to know?
Good to know, you will be investing time into doing things the Atlassian way. But their way can be good, so you might benefit from their best practices.
