SOHO and SMB Cloud Storage Recommendations
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I've worked for companies providing support to both enterprises and SMBs and we provided the same level of support regardless of who the client was.
Why is why I suggested nothing in terms of differences in quality. Any SMB can engage an enterprise MSP, like NTG, if they chose to. But they would need to pay enterprise rates to get enterprise services like on site permanent staff, dedicated account and project managers and the such. Those are not quality differences, they are different services. And ones that would be pretty crazy to try to force on a normal SMB.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Examples? I can't think of any. And I don't mean examples where 10 users or less are dirt cheap or free. I mean where 200 users is cheaper than 300 or similar break points.
@scottalanmiller said:
Atlassian makes its tools super cheap for small teams and only expensive for large ones. GitHub is free for very small companies. Developer tools are almost always free or cheap for really small companies. The JetBrains suites are half the price for individuals than for individuals within a company.
Atlassian is $2 per user for 50 users or $6 per user for 100 users. A perfect example of my point. There must be some examples other than Microsoft, surely? I just don't know of any.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Atlassian is $2 per user for 50 users or $6 per user for 100 users. A perfect example of my point. There must be some examples other than Microsoft, surely? I just don't know of any.
And just $1 per user for 10. Didn't you just make my point? Price goes up as you get bigger.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Any SMB can engage an enterprise MSP, like NTG, if they chose to. But they would need to pay enterprise rates to get enterprise services like on site permanent staff, dedicated account and project managers and the such. Those are not quality differences, they are different services. And ones that would be pretty crazy to try to force on a normal SMB.
OK, let's not get sidetracked by MSP services. It's a different topic. This is a situation where @Jason is being penalized financially for having more than 300 users and I'm trying to find any similar examples.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
OK, let's not get sidetracked by MSP services. It's a different topic. This is a situation where @Jason is being penalized financially for having more than 300 users and I'm trying to find any similar examples.
We just provided some.
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Er...I don't think you have?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Er...I don't think you have?
You provided the pricing of how Atlassian's prices go up as you get bigger.
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And I provided a few others too. It's rather common.
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Salesforce.com does not put user limits on their pricing but charges a fortune more per user in tiers that would be needed for enterprises to use their service. Easily going to 5x the price an SMB would pay. Sometimes it is done through practical limitations rather than hard limits, which is often better as it uses factors that really matter a little better but the result is the same.
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I know that with accounting packages and similar that @Minion-Queen auditions we often find software that is super cheap - until we start adding users and because of our size we often get huge per user penalties that make products not make sense because they scale up in cost non-linearly.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Er...I don't think you have?
You provided the pricing of how Atlassian's prices go up as you get bigger.
Er, no, I provided the pricing of how Altassian's prices go down as you get bigger - from $6 per user at 100 users DOWN to $2 per user at 500 users. GitHub charge per number of private repositories and the more you have the cheaper it gets, so effectively the more users the cheaper it is.
You haven't provided any examples.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Er, no, I provided the pricing of how Altassian's prices go down as you get bigger - from $6 per user at 100 users DOWN to $2 per user at 500 users.
You said $2 for 50, not 500. And I mentioned that you left off the $1 for 10.
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If you look at their full pricing structure you will see that for the tiny companies it is cheap and gets higher as you get to large businesses and then when you hit enterprise it drops - EXACTLY like Microsoft's Office 365...
https://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/pricing
Start lowest, go to the highest for larger medium sized companies, and then go down for enterprises. It's a bell curve. How is this any different than MS except that MS doesn't publicly disclose their EA prices?
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My bad, sorry.
But ignore the 10 user pricing as I said "And I don't mean examples where 10 users or less are dirt cheap or free."
So you can scrub Salesforce off your list of examples as well as they only provide special pricing for 5 users.
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Providing special pricing for 10 users or less is NOTHING like Microsoft doing it for 300 users.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
So you can scrub Salesforce off your list of examples as well as they only provide special pricing for 5 users.
"Special" pricing, sure, but I described why their pricing was similar with bigger businesses needing to pay much higher rates. Not talking about any special rates.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Providing special pricing for 10 users or less is NOTHING like Microsoft doing it for 300 users.
It's EXACTLY like that. Remember that MS Office is for "everyone." Who doesn't get email in the organization? Atlassian is developer tools, typically only a tiny percentage of your organization, even in an organization that does software development heavily (or even primarily.) A company hitting Atlassians most expensive tiers would typically be larger than the same for Microsoft. It lines up almost perfectly.
And it is not "special" pricing or else Office 365 is too. And that's exactly what Microsoft does - they offer "special pricing" for small businesses willing to accept additional software limitations.
This is extremely industry standard. I have no idea why you feel what MS is doing is unique or uncommon or unlike examples provided or just what you would normally run into every day evaluating software options. This is something I see constantly.
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OK. If you think that providing special pricing for 10 users or less is the same as Microsoft doing it for 300 users or less then we're just going to have to disagree as there are loads of examples of the former.
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For those looking at the prices with Atlassian:
10 Users: $1/U
15 Users: $3.33/U
25 Users: $4/U
50 Users: $4/U
100 Users: $3/U
500 Users: $1/U
2000 Users: $.50/UIf you need more than 2K users you are off their charts and presumably you can call them and work something out but they don't even mention that because 2K users is considered the very top end size - matching the EA of Microsoft's world.
Notice that the prices start low, go up to a peak and work their way down again. Considering only 1% - 10% of an organization would normally use Confluence you can estimate the size of the organizations assumed by adding one or two zeros to the user count. So Atlassian would hit its peak cost around 250 users. Right in lock step with MS.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
OK. If you think that providing special pricing for 10 users or less is the same as Microsoft doing it for 300 users or less then we're just going to have to disagree as there are loads of examples of the former.
When we are talking about tools that are used by only a fraction of the organization, yes. And it continues through their second tier.
There are very few products that you buy that are anything like MS Office where companies of every size use them AND use them for nearly every employee. So you have to compare to other product types like dev tools or accounting tools that do identical cost curves but at a different scale.
