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@scottalanmiller said:
You just reworded what I said. Either you get Office 365 licensing of MS Office 2016 on premises or you don't.
We need a BRRABILL to proper technology wording primer.
It's long overdue.
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@BRRABill said:
@MattSpeller said:
Ugh, skipping that many versions will suck for you and your users. I try and skip every other one, more than that and training gets to be a real headache.
I weathered the ribbon bar. I can weather this.
Probably the most hated software change I've ever been through.
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@MattSpeller said:
@BRRABill said:
@MattSpeller said:
Security / updates will cease on 07, then what do you do
Well, I will consider upgrading at that point. (I think it's the end of 2017 support ends.) Definitely to O365.
Ugh, skipping that many versions will suck for you and your users. I try and skip every other one, more than that and training gets to be a real headache.
I'm a big believer in regular, constant updates. It trains people to get used to reasonable, small updates and to be able to always keep up to date elsewhere. Anything else starts to feel capricious to end users and you have to explain and justify what you have decided to do rather than just "deploying what Microsoft makes."
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@scottalanmiller said:
You just reworded what I said. Either you get Office 365 licensing of MS Office 2016 on premises or you don't.
Isn't there just straight on-premises licensing as well?
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You just reworded what I said. Either you get Office 365 licensing of MS Office 2016 on premises or you don't.
Isn't there just straight on-premises licensing as well?
Possibly, but I asked if you were...
"Going to get on premises MS Office licensing"
and you responded with...
"No, you were going to do exactly what I said."
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
@BRRABill said:
@MattSpeller said:
Security / updates will cease on 07, then what do you do
Well, I will consider upgrading at that point. (I think it's the end of 2017 support ends.) Definitely to O365.
Ugh, skipping that many versions will suck for you and your users. I try and skip every other one, more than that and training gets to be a real headache.
I'm a big believer in regular, constant updates. It trains people to get used to reasonable, small updates and to be able to always keep up to date elsewhere. Anything else starts to feel capricious to end users and you have to explain and justify what you have decided to do rather than just "deploying what Microsoft makes."
Yep, I agree. Given more resources I'd do the same.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You just reworded what I said. Either you get Office 365 licensing of MS Office 2016 on premises or you don't.
Isn't there just straight on-premises licensing as well?
Possibly, but I asked if you were...
"Going to get on premises MS Office licensing"
and you responded with...
"No, you were going to do exactly what I said."
Scott - there was confusion potential in the way you asked it.
You asked if he was going to get onprem licensing... a better way to ask it would have been " are you going to get O365 with the local install option?" Which of course is what he said he would do.
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Why do people think there will be a huge training hurdle going from Office 2007 to Office 2016?
Other than the fact that Outlook 2007 didn't have a ribbon, and Outlook 2016 does - oh and a color palette change, there aren't that many huge changes.
The other largish change I can think of is that they brought File back. And that was brought back in 2010, along with the ribbon for Outlook - so from what I can see the changes won't be that grand.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You just reworded what I said. Either you get Office 365 licensing of MS Office 2016 on premises or you don't.
Isn't there just straight on-premises licensing as well?
Possibly, but I asked if you were...
"Going to get on premises MS Office licensing"
and you responded with...
"No, you were going to do exactly what I said."
Scott - there was confusion potential in the way you asked it.
You asked if he was going to get onprem licensing... a better way to ask it would have been " are you going to get O365 with the local install option?" Which of course is what he said he would do.
But that isn't exactly what I asked. I asked only if he was getting on prem licensing for MS Office 2016, I didn't ask anything about if he was going to get anything else. I asked only about the one part. Your rewording asks a different question and would only be answered yes if he was also moving to hosted. I was asking if he was getting hosted as well, or not.
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@Dashrender said:
Why do people think there will be a huge training hurdle going from Office 2007 to Office 2016?
For the same reason that was given as to why they didn't move to 2010... because users struggle with the updates in the MS Office world. If 2007 to 2010 is so big that it causes people to not be able to handle the update, imagine what two more leaps will do!
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Now, all that said, OWA - that's a completely different story!
OWA 2007 sucked and looked almost nothing like Outlook. But starting in OWA 2010 that started to change. And today they are pretty darned close to one another.
The days of the desktop client seem over for me. It's one thing on your mobile device, but completely another on your internet connected desktop/laptop.
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@Dashrender said:
The other largish change I can think of is that they brought File back. And that was brought back in 2010, along with the ribbon for Outlook - so from what I can see the changes won't be that grand.
What about the huge leap to the app handling file management that you've had as a concern with your users?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Why do people think there will be a huge training hurdle going from Office 2007 to Office 2016?
For the same reason that was given as to why they didn't move to 2010... because users struggle with the updates in the MS Office world. If 2007 to 2010 is so big that it causes people to not be able to handle the update, imagine what two more leaps will do!
I definitely see an issue going from 2007 to 2010. The problem was going from 2003 to 2007. I completely understand not wanting to move off of Office 2003, but once you made that hurdle..life has been a breeze for me.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You just reworded what I said. Either you get Office 365 licensing of MS Office 2016 on premises or you don't.
Isn't there just straight on-premises licensing as well?
Possibly, but I asked if you were...
"Going to get on premises MS Office licensing"
and you responded with...
"No, you were going to do exactly what I said."
Scott - there was confusion potential in the way you asked it.
You asked if he was going to get onprem licensing... a better way to ask it would have been " are you going to get O365 with the local install option?" Which of course is what he said he would do.
But that isn't exactly what I asked. I asked only if he was getting on prem licensing for MS Office 2016, I didn't ask anything about if he was going to get anything else. I asked only about the one part. Your rewording asks a different question and would only be answered yes if he was also moving to hosted. I was asking if he was getting hosted as well, or not.
I can't recall at this point (without re reading the thread) if he said he was going to O365 before or after you asked your question.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Why do people think there will be a huge training hurdle going from Office 2007 to Office 2016?
For the same reason that was given as to why they didn't move to 2010... because users struggle with the updates in the MS Office world. If 2007 to 2010 is so big that it causes people to not be able to handle the update, imagine what two more leaps will do!
I definitely see an issue going from 2007 to 2010. The problem was going from 2003 to 2007. I completely understand not wanting to move off of Office 2003, but once you made that hurdle..life has been a breeze for me.
But that was the question.... why did they take the effort to either leap to 2007 from whatever came before that or why did they choose to start on MS Office? In both cases, it seems like choosing MS Office did not make sense given that updates were not going to continue.
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@Dashrender said:
I can't recall at this point (without re reading the thread) if he said he was going to O365 before or after you asked your question.
@scottalanmiller said this
"O365 licensing of MS Office on premises? "Which is what I think confused me.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
The other largish change I can think of is that they brought File back. And that was brought back in 2010, along with the ribbon for Outlook - so from what I can see the changes won't be that grand.
What about the huge leap to the app handling file management that you've had as a concern with your users?
What do you mean? Office has always allowed you to search around for your files on the filesystem, ever since Office 95, and I'm sure even it's predecessors. Sure they've added things like OneDrive, ODfB and SharePoint, but really, searching around in those places is just another network drive.
No searching around from within the application was never about not finding the same kind of file that your application is meant for, the problem was the user not realizing they used a different app to create said file.
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What did you have before 2007, and why do you think your company moved to 2007?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Why do people think there will be a huge training hurdle going from Office 2007 to Office 2016?
For the same reason that was given as to why they didn't move to 2010... because users struggle with the updates in the MS Office world. If 2007 to 2010 is so big that it causes people to not be able to handle the update, imagine what two more leaps will do!
I definitely see an issue going from 2007 to 2010. The problem was going from 2003 to 2007. I completely understand not wanting to move off of Office 2003, but once you made that hurdle..life has been a breeze for me.
But that was the question.... why did they take the effort to either leap to 2007 from whatever came before that or why did they choose to start on MS Office? In both cases, it seems like choosing MS Office did not make sense given that updates were not going to continue.
I can understand the argument that the formatting can be screwed up between MS Office and LibreOffice (I've mostly heard about Excel) but then again that goes to show how people have abused Excel to do ridiculous things.
I haven't used it much at all, but I can bet there are similar issues with Google Docs though. I think a lot of it is the fact that people think paying for something gives you a better product.
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I think everyone should have to use LaTeX
