Dicussion about time, DST and businesses hours of operation
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
I've was told it was for farming and agriculture so as to better make use of daylight... now if that is true or just American propaganda I don't know.
Can't affect them, it was only for non-agriculture to make better use of daylight. But since those people set their own schedules, it doesn't affect them either.
What about societal norms. If all businesses just chose random times that they wanted to be open it would be mad chaos.
Not really. There are only a few businesses that don't rely on others to open. Every other one would need to be open/closed to match with the businesses and people they support. Especially in the US.
Actually in many cases being open at the same time is an issue. Being open staggered would often be better.
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@Jason said:
@coliver said:
No arguments with either point here. It would make so much more sense to do manufacturing at night when electrical costs would be lower. Would ancillary businesses also need to change their hours?
Cool Manufactoring? We don't cool it. Neither do most big manufacturing companies.
I didn't mean cool. I meant the cost of electricity would be much less expensive for equipment.
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@Dashrender said:
That's definitely true, most businesses rely other others, and would find a way to sync up.
and of course the government would have to sync up with these as well. Think about a situation where businesses change from the typical 8-5 and move to 9-6 or even 10-7. Now you're completely out of sync with the post office and schools.
But they equally, I think, rely on being staggered as simultaneous. It causes a LOT of issues when everyone works at the same time. How do restaurants, shops, etc. work?
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@coliver said:
@Jason said:
@coliver said:
No arguments with either point here. It would make so much more sense to do manufacturing at night when electrical costs would be lower. Would ancillary businesses also need to change their hours?
Cool Manufactoring? We don't cool it. Neither do most big manufacturing companies.
I didn't mean cool. I meant the cost of electricity would be much less expensive for equipment.
Ahh @scottalanmiller said cool. Power costs the same no matter the time of day for us.
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Much of the US has flexible power costs. DST pushed everyone to use the most expensive power. It makes big money for the power grids.
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Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
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DST has been shown to have major health implications too. It stresses the human body to attempt to shift by an hour twice a year. Not huge, but across a large population it is very measurable. It increases sick time, makes people late for work... DST creates a huge cascade of issues that people are not addressing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
Thats really a rare situation, though, and most medical facilities have natural light from doctor's offices to hospitals.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
Thats really a rare situation, though, and most medical facilities have natural light from doctor's offices to hospitals.
In the patient rooms, perhaps. But not where the staff spend the majority of their time.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
Thats really a rare situation, though, and most medical facilities have natural light from doctor's offices to hospitals.
In the patient rooms, perhaps. But not where the staff spend the majority of their time.
This is true. Many offices in our hospitals around here don't have natural light. Patient care rooms generally do though.
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but why not? Probably just because they are cheap and predate natural light laws. No reason that you can't have light in offices.
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@scottalanmiller said:
but why not? Probably just because they are cheap and predate natural light laws. No reason that you can't have light in offices.
I would agree with both those points and add that they generally have offices in the center of buildings with patient rooms around the out sides. On multi-story buildings this would make it difficult to properly use the space where natural light is required.
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@scottalanmiller said:
but why not? Probably just because they are cheap and predate natural light laws. No reason that you can't have light in offices.
Cheap - I guess, building efficiency is what really springs to mind. The clinic rooms line the outside of the given space, and they probably have windows. The staff work in the middle area.
It's no different than an office building. The offices along the outer walls all have natural light, assuming those offices have non tranparent/translucent walls, the light never makes it to cube ville in the middle.
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Office buildings normally have glass interior walls for this purpose, though.
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But outside of patient areas or operating rooms, how often is extra light needed? Or much light? Isn't bright offices counter productive to working on a computer?
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@scottalanmiller said:
But outside of patient areas or operating rooms, how often is extra light needed? Or much light? Isn't bright offices counter productive to working on a computer?
lol - I don't have an answer for you... I know that when I work in the dark, don't often have the option for low surrounding light, people give me a hard time for working in the dark.
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Which makes no sense, because it is better for your eyes, heat, environment and work habits to be in the dark, or not in the bright, at least. People are so weird with their bizarre societal constructs of what acceptable is, even when it is completely counter to what makes sense.
