Speak to Manager after giving Resignation Letter
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I'm not sure any of us outside of India could answer that. In the US they might fire you immediately, but that forces them to pay unemployment so rarely do they want to do that. It's really a question about legal issues and protections in India.
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Employer is not firing,since it is our wish to work with the employer
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@scottalanmiller said:
I'm not sure any of us outside of India could answer that. In the US they might fire you immediately, but that forces them to pay unemployment so rarely do they want to do that. It's really a question about legal issues and protections in India.
Wait, what? How can you be fired when you just resigned? I suppose if your resignation letter says you resign as of some future time, then they could still technically fire you...
Now that said, if you resign stating that you will work for two additional weeks (normally to allow them a bit of time to find a replacement, etc) it's not uncommon for them to say, nah, you're not working any more after now. But I don't consider that being fired.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I'm not sure any of us outside of India could answer that. In the US they might fire you immediately, but that forces them to pay unemployment so rarely do they want to do that. It's really a question about legal issues and protections in India.
Wait, what? How can you be fired when you just resigned? I suppose if your resignation letter says you resign as of some future time, then they could still technically fire you...
Now that said, if you resign stating that you will work for two additional weeks (normally to allow them a bit of time to find a replacement, etc) it's not uncommon for them to say, nah, you're not working any more after now. But I don't consider that being fired.
That's exactly what being fired is. The company has told you that you no longer work for them even though you gave them a specific date two weeks from the date you "resigned" as your resignation date.
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@Dashrender said:
Wait, what? How can you be fired when you just resigned? I suppose if your resignation letter says you resign as of some future time, then they could still technically fire you...
Yup, I had an employer do that to me. Put in my 4 weeks (contractual requirement), they begged me to give them six to eight, then fired me right before I was done. However, my immediate boss, I think, did it to ensure I'd have unemployment rights if I needed them, not to screw me in some way. Lots of companies do this for evil reasons and the employer in question was a POS but the actual firing was, I think, meant to be a gift as it gave be a huge severance package.
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@Dashrender said:
Now that said, if you resign stating that you will work for two additional weeks (normally to allow them a bit of time to find a replacement, etc) it's not uncommon for them to say, nah, you're not working any more after now. But I don't consider that being fired.
If they stop paying you, that's the only thing that firing can be.
If they keep paying you but let you go home, that's not firing.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I'm not sure any of us outside of India could answer that. In the US they might fire you immediately, but that forces them to pay unemployment so rarely do they want to do that. It's really a question about legal issues and protections in India.
Wait, what? How can you be fired when you just resigned? I suppose if your resignation letter says you resign as of some future time, then they could still technically fire you...
Now that said, if you resign stating that you will work for two additional weeks (normally to allow them a bit of time to find a replacement, etc) it's not uncommon for them to say, nah, you're not working any more after now. But I don't consider that being fired.
It's a matter of system security in most cases. Which most resignations in the US have a 2 week notice provided to them.
The employer doesn't want anyone on premise if they are leaving, even if on good terms because of the "Who know what they might do" question.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I'm not sure any of us outside of India could answer that. In the US they might fire you immediately, but that forces them to pay unemployment so rarely do they want to do that. It's really a question about legal issues and protections in India.
Wait, what? How can you be fired when you just resigned? I suppose if your resignation letter says you resign as of some future time, then they could still technically fire you...
Now that said, if you resign stating that you will work for two additional weeks (normally to allow them a bit of time to find a replacement, etc) it's not uncommon for them to say, nah, you're not working any more after now. But I don't consider that being fired.
It's a matter of system security in most cases. Which most resignations in the US have a 2 week notice provided to them.
The employer doesn't want anyone on premise if they are leaving, even if on good terms because of the "Who know what they might do" question.
Don't need to fire you, though. Enterprises send you home paid, they don't fire you. Firing means they are at risk for wrongful termination suits, that they certainly are on the hook for unemployment and other costs.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I'm not sure any of us outside of India could answer that. In the US they might fire you immediately, but that forces them to pay unemployment so rarely do they want to do that. It's really a question about legal issues and protections in India.
You're the one who said "they might fire you immediately" My question is, can you be fired if you just turned in a resignation? Firing you is bad for you, while resigning normally isn't. Of course firing puts them on the hook for things you mentioned as well.
I thought I read that the company is still on the hook for those things even if an employee quits, but there's a grace period before they can collect.
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@Dashrender said:
You're the one who said "they might fire you immediately" My question is, can you be fired if you just turned in a resignation?
Yes you can, and yes it is common. Unless you "walk out" before they can fire you, they can fire you at any moment after you have turned in a resignation until your end date/time.
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@Dashrender said:
Firing you is bad for you, while resigning normally isn't.
No, firing should be good for you. No negatives. Resigning is bad for you because you give up your protections.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Firing you is bad for you, while resigning normally isn't.
No, firing should be good for you. No negatives. Resigning is bad for you because you give up your protections.
That seems completely counter intuitive. Why should a company be penalized even more by firing you? Most of the time I'm sure companies are firing someone for bad performance or the need to downsize.
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@Dashrender said:
That seems completely counter intuitive. Why should a company be penalized even more by firing you?
Because firing people comes with penalties. It just does. You can't just fire people willy nilly. Just like they can't just not show up to work without penalties. Things like unemployment are paid for by companies that fire you. If a company fires you, they have to cover that stuff.
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@Dashrender said:
Most of the time I'm sure companies are firing someone for bad performance or the need to downsize.
And if because of downsizing, they still have penalties to deal with.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Because firing people comes with penalties. It just does. You can't just fire people willy nilly.
Oh wow.. the only penalty they suffer is being fired, but what do they care, now they get paid for doing nothing. Instead of being paid to at least show up, even if they do nothing while there. lol
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Because firing people comes with penalties. It just does. You can't just fire people willy nilly.
Oh wow.. the only penalty they suffer is being fired, but what do they care, now they get paid for doing nothing. Instead of being paid to at least show up, even if they do nothing while there. lol
Getting fired means they are not getting a full paycheck but have to wait some time and then get a partial one.
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Unemployment isn't a wonderland of money. But it is a penalty to companies firing people who wanted to work.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Unemployment isn't a wonderland of money. But it is a penalty to companies firing people who wanted to work.
Believe me i know. I was doing some consulting, and just a very few number of hours a week covered the pay from unemployment - So I told them not to bother continuing with the paperwork.
In retrospect, I should have opened an LLC, billed the consulting dollars through that, and paid myself minimum wage, and collected unemployment lol
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Unemployment isn't a wonderland of money. But it is a penalty to companies firing people who wanted to work.
Believe me i know. I was doing some consulting, and just a very few number of hours a week covered the pay from unemployment - So I told them not to bother continuing with the paperwork.
In retrospect, I should have opened an LLC, billed the consulting dollars through that, and paid myself minimum wage, and collected unemployment lol
Or not paid yourself at all.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Unemployment isn't a wonderland of money. But it is a penalty to companies firing people who wanted to work.
Believe me i know. I was doing some consulting, and just a very few number of hours a week covered the pay from unemployment - So I told them not to bother continuing with the paperwork.
In retrospect, I should have opened an LLC, billed the consulting dollars through that, and paid myself minimum wage, and collected unemployment lol
Or not paid yourself at all.
I'm not sure how legal that is. My accountant at the time seemed to indicate that when you're an owner and the one doing the work, you have to pay yourself a wage. If you don't and you get audited, they would make you pay yourself a wage of some kind so you're paying FICA, etc.
