4K vs UHD
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@Dashrender There's your answer. Film is done to look good, TV is done to comply to stringent FCC rules.
The FCC only adopts the rules created by the broadcast associations. It would be impossible to do the level of a Film OTA. You get shipped multiple harddrives that create a raid to plug directly into the the digital projector both because of size and needed data rates to get high quality. Film is DPX files, one file per frame (it's actually just a large picture file with no compression). Audio is done separately, and synced with timecode.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
HD does not refer to either one. It's resolution only. Resolution, Frame rates and Progressives vs Interlaced is are all separate things. You are badly misinformed.
That is incorrect, HD is SPECIFICALLY 1280 Horizontal by 720 Vertical, Progressive Scan.
Lol. I'm done you are so misinformed it's not even funny.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@Dashrender There's your answer. Film is done to look good, TV is done to comply to stringent FCC rules.
You are confusing TV with Broadcast TV. Only Broadcast TV, which is a trivial component of TV today, has FCC rules. Most TV has not had any FCC oversight for a very long time (cable, Internet, etc.)
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@thecreativeone91 If all categorization was based off of ACTUAL common knowledge, the world would be in misinformed chaos, consumers don't know what they're even buying, much less how it works on the inside. The world of technology is far too specialized to rely on common knowledge for anything.
Which is why we need to work with specifics, not non-standard marketing terms when specifying things. Terms like HD, 4K, UHD, etc. are used to confuse, not to inform. There is no governing body overseeing them so even attempts to "standardize" them are marketing attempts as they cannot be standardized after the fact - it simply can't be done. Thinking that a standard can be applied after the fact is part of the problem - consumers believe that there is some ratified standard that protects them and stop paying attention when, in fact, there is no such thing and no one to enforce it. So the more we "feel" it is standardized, generally is just an artifact of being marketed to very well.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
That is incorrect, HD is SPECIFICALLY 1280 Horizontal by 720 Vertical, Progressive Scan.
That's completely made up. That is in no way an agreed upon use of English, common knowledge, industry accepted standard of anything. If there is one thing that HD routinely is not, this is it.
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Keep in mind that films actually have a vested interest in you wanting to come out and watch a good high quality movies.
Broadcast and cable, just care that you happen to see commercials when a TV is on. They could careless if you watch or like it. And Cable even more so since there is a lot of double dipping (subscription price + ad revenue) Imagine if Netflix charged you then showed you a lot of ads. Granted Hulu does this I think.
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@thecreativeone91 Mmmk, go talk to some people who set the standards by being industry leaders, and design the panels and interface gear, they'll tell you all the same things I am. There HAS to be standardization, otherwise those people can't properly do their jobs. And they understand perfectly that FHDi is 1920 x 1080 Interlaced, it's pretty simple.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
they'll tell you all the same things I am.
Considering I'm friends with a lot of these people, I can tell you they will not tell the things you said. You are listing off irrelevant standards. VESA standards are low level standards of how the electronics work, Device IDs. etc. It's more relevant to computer video than it is TV, though it does play a role. It looks like you are just spitting out something google told you.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Mike-Ralston said:
That is incorrect, HD is SPECIFICALLY 1280 Horizontal by 720 Vertical, Progressive Scan.
That's completely made up. That is in no way an agreed upon use of English, common knowledge, industry accepted standard of anything. If there is one thing that HD routinely is not, this is it.
Pretty much never do they mean that, unless they are a marketing person trying to pull something over.
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I have super duper ultra high awesome definition TM!
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@thecreativeone91 Mmmk, go talk to some people who set the standards by being industry leaders...
To whom have you spoken about this?
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I think that this sums it up...
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Granted Hulu does this I think.
Yeah, they suck.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I think that this sums it up...
stand·ard
/ˈstandərd/adjective
- used or accepted as normal or average.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Granted Hulu does this I think.
Yeah, they suck.
Slightly worse than the cable companies... at least I am watching the shows I want to watch when I want to watch them. Granted, I'd rather see them match Netflix and charge $9 a month and not show me the commercials.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
And they understand perfectly that FHDi is 1920 x 1080 Interlaced, it's pretty simple.
What makes that simple, logical or even remotely likely? Have you tried Googling that term? I've never heard of it and Google seems pretty stumped too. I have a feeling that's a new one created here, once Google gets through this thread, maybe it will show up.
1920x1080 interlaced isn't enough to create a useful standard. The terms you are using aren't ones that the people you think need them could use. Those people do have standards, but they are not ones sold to consumers or end users.
And "standards" between business partners doesn't rely on people coming up with marketing names. They talk is detailed standards at a lower level.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
stand·ard
/ˈstandərd/adjective
- used or accepted as normal or average.
verb (used with object), standardized, standardizing.
1.
to bring to or make of an established standard size, weight, quality, strength, or the like:
to standardize manufactured parts.
2.
to compare with or test by a standard.
3.
to choose or establish a standard for.A bit different than "common usage", and even common usage is not qualifying for most of this stuff. 4K, UHD, HD.... there is no accepted common usage. You call standard usage of HD one thing, the store calls it another, I call it another. While I often have less than common standards that I use myself (HD means high definition, not a resolution rating) I know that anyone I've spoken to in the last many, many years has accepted HD outside of that as 1080p, not 720p. I don't know anyone that would think 720p was the standard for HD by industry or by language.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@thecreativeone91 Maybe broadcast is more locked down in the US, but with Digital Broadcasting, a network can stream at the resolution and aspect ratio that it wants. The TV receiving it will downsample or stretch the image, but that's up to the hardware on the user end. And HD does not refer to Interlaced Scan video, only Progressive Scan. Interlaced is used for TV broadcasting, and the occasional piece of professional equipment, most everything else is progressive scan.
This use of the 'p' was my understanding.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Mike-Ralston said:
And they understand perfectly that FHDi is 1920 x 1080 Interlaced, it's pretty simple.
What makes that simple, logical or even remotely likely? Have you tried Googling that term? I've never heard of it and Google seems pretty stumped too. I have a feeling that's a new one created here, once Google gets through this thread, maybe it will show up.
1920x1080 interlaced isn't enough to create a useful standard. The terms you are using aren't ones that the people you think need them could use. Those people do have standards, but they are not ones sold to consumers or end users.
And "standards" between business partners doesn't rely on people coming up with marketing names. They talk is detailed standards at a lower level.
Sure if you call it full HD interlaced that's what FHDi would mean so yes that would mean 1920x1080 interlaced. It's not that simple though. There are multiple flavors of HD. That only referees to the resolution.
Progressive/Interlaced and Frame rate are all separate things. You could say that HD 1920x1080 Interlaced is likely going to be 30fps as well, but it does not have to be nor is it a standard. -
Has anyone seen or heard of 4K interlaced yet?
